Hi Terri L.,
My wife settled on the margarine "I can't believe its not butter" brand and 
thats the best compromise I could get out of her on the butter.  It does 
contain some dairy buttermilk, but that is the fourth item on the list of 
ingredients by volume.  So I guess we can't get completely away from dairy 
hormones, but at least we're cutting a long way back. Personally, I miss the 
ice cream (Breyers) the most! Sigh... Regards:  Robert Bartell
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [email protected] 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:51 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: beef and dairy


  <<> Hi Ya'all, 
  > For an old codger like me who really enjoys beef , milk, and butter, "Me 
  > thinks thuo protesteth to much." 
  >"Ole Bob">> 

  Bob, 
  I like butter, eat it daily(bought from a health food store). I like meat 
  also, but am allergic to beef but have it on occasion. I say to you "enjoy".  
  :) 

  <<
    Hi Ole Bob, 
    Based on recommendations re: my wife's diabetes, we stopped all dairy 
    products and she has been improving ever since. Haven't given up on beef 
    though, just cut back on it and eat more pork and chicken and turkey.  We 
    are omnivores! The dairy products and beef that we are talking about ARE 
NOT 
    the same products that you and I grew up with!  Since Monsanto Chemical 
    started selling their crap to the dairy industry .... the products changed 
    ... and the younger generation out there needs to know that.  The 
cumulative 
    effects may be slow ... may be insidious - long term!>>

  Robert, 
  I agree... beef and dairy are not what they were 40 yrs ago and its a shame. 
  You read so much negative information about our food today, antibiotics, 
  hormones, food chain farm animals being fed meat byproducts, genetically 
  engineered seeds...TILT! ...it gets to be "too much information". I think 
  people just tend to ignore as we are creatures of habit/comfort. 
  I am thankful for my illness in some regards, it has forced me to research 
  all of this to regain health and prevent future problems.  Its the reason I 
  found this list.    

  I eat meat and butter, don't plan on giving them up. But milk... no thank 
  you. Not just because I was weaned along time ago and milk has no nutritional 
  benefits for humans, causes mucous to form in nasal and throat areas, milk 
  allergies, etc.,  but after watching 20/20 or 60 min. and saw a special on 
  dairy farms and what they strained out of the milk... no way!  Not to mention 
  what they give the cow(hormones/antibiotics) before they milk it and what the 
  results of that are afterwards due to  antibiotic resistant bacteria. 
  Fast food burgers. Yes, I do have them on a rare occasions but usually get 
  the chicken(questionable also) After reading somewhere, maybe this list, you 
  shouldn't eat fried chicken anywhere as its not in the hot oil long enough to 
  kill whatevers lurking on that chicken.  Sorta takes the fun out of "lets get 
  a quick lunch". Fast food beef has to be on the bottom of the barrel as far 
  as I'm concerned and I'm sure in the future we are going to start seeing some 
  health issues surrounding these places. 
  I personally know of a case in the N.E. states of a man who died from "mad 
  cow" disease.  A long, lingering disease process which made it hard to 
  diagnose until the end(8 yrs I think).  That info was kept in the family.  A 
  fellow from the funeral home told these people that this was the third case 
  he'd seen, that was a few years ago. Tip of the iceburg? 
  The upside of all this is, I always have my bottle of CS handy incase any 
  bugs from this stuff decide to play havic with my system.   :) 
  Terri L.