Hello; What assurances do I have that CS will not cause permanent discoloration of gums and / or skin?
I am a beleiver recently hit with a barrage of information discounting the efficacy and safety of CS. walter lee On 28 Nov 00, at 8:56, [email protected] wrote: ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain silver-digest Digest Volume 100 : Issue 898 Today's Topics: Re: CS>again Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne Re: CS>Any Suggestions? Re: CS>development work Re: CS>development work CS>Vaccine alert.... Re: CS>edema question Re: CS>edema question Re: CS>Christmas trees Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne Re: CS>again Re: CS>development work CS>misinformation on CS RE: CS and lupus Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:47:57 +1300 From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>again Message-ID: <002601c05928$ae8b42e0$2ba93...@ivan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Dudley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2000 05:47 Subject: Re: CS>again > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > But we are talking about CS, which are charged clumps. If they don't > > have a > > > charge, they drop out of the colloid, and will not be drunk. > > > > Not necessarily, a particle does not need to be charged to remain > > suspended, just of colloidal dimension. > > > > Although browning movement will keep particles suspended against the pull of > gravity for a while, without the charge, I believe all particles will > precipitate. Even the cream in homonogized milk has a charge associated > with it if I remember right. What would counter the pull of gravity if they > did not have charge? Random walk cannot do it long term, as gravity will > polarize the walk toward the bottom. Gravity is not interested in charge, only mass. Even the most highly charged colloid if left undisturbed for some measure of time, will be found to be more concentrated at the bottom than at the top of a container. The degree of dispersion, hydration, size, charge, Brownian motion, etc all have an influence on the stability of a colloid, and the time taken for a colloid to settle out. Most of your statements below leave me somewhat bewildered...I guess I will have to do some experiments myself. Shall be in touch! Ivan. > The repulsion between particles of CS is decreased by acid, that is why > particles tend to aggregate in an acid. The atoms being positively charged > would tend to repel each other, but stick together anyway, not sure why, > sharing of electrons, or van der walls force perhaps. At any rate, > reduction of the effective charge reduces the repulsion, thus causing the > opposite effect, the atoms will stick together better, not fall apart. This > is confirmed by adding acid to CS and seeing that the particles aggregate > and not dissipate. > > > > > > This comes back to my original experiment, where I cannot get the CS > > to lose > > > its tyndall when added to HCL or nirtic acid. I do not see any action > > taking > > > place. Does this not imply that the particles are NOT being broken > > down? > > > > Yes, that would imply that the particles are not being broken apart, but > > it also implies quite large particle to begin with. As silver readilly > > reacts with dilute nitric acid I cannot understand why this should be so > > in this instance, with HCl perhaps the silver chloride is of the same > > particle size. > > > > Galvanic response is the most likely reason I believe. Silver metal has > sufficient impurities to set up a current that corrodes the silver. Pure CS > has no such impurities in most of the particles. I do notice a sudden but > slight drop in the tyndall immediately after adding acid, then over time the > tyndall increases, then drops to nothing and you find silver precipitated on > the bottom. This is my take on it. > > When you first add the acid any particles with impurities, such as copper, > in them immediate react due to the galvanic current, and thus the tyndall > goes down. Then the acid causes the remaining pure particles to aggregate, > which causes the tyndall to go up, and that is followed by the particles > precipitation out, followed by the tyndall going down again. > > It has been years since I tried this, and plan on repeating it again to > confirm my memories. > > Marshall --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:01:20 +1300 From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne Message-ID: <006601c0592a$8aa76aa0$2ba93...@ivan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes to the latter, just mist the spots with CS, and try Teatree oil also. Ivan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2000 23:15 Subject: cs and skin eruptions/acne > l am wondering if anyone knows if cs is good for keeping teenage acne under > control...my 11 yr old is experiencing it now..and nothing is working..he has > skin eruptions on other parts of his body too...any ideas on this? where can > l get topical cs that doesnt cost an arm and a leg? or l just have him wash > his face and other parts in cs daily to keep the breakout areas down? > thankyou. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17/11/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:09:17 +1300 From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>Any Suggestions? Message-ID: <007401c0592b$a76a4800$2ba93...@ivan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you get a reply to your message John? Any way CS both internally and externally will be of benefit. Soaking the dressings in CS will help (you might like to look at www.silverlon.com ). Internally, up to an ounce a day (40ml) in small doses. Bathing the area in the light from a laser pointer (red) for 5 mins once or twice a day may well help in tissue regeneration also. Good luck! Ivan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2000 14:22 Subject: CS>Any Suggestions? > A close friend is in the hospital, he is diabetic. He stepped on a piece of > glass, and it got infected, with swelling, and the infection spread to the > bone. The operation was a success. Will be staying with me, any regimen for > CS, internally and externally would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17/11/2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:35:41 +1300 From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>development work Message-ID: <008201c0592f$5a00a2e0$2ba93...@ivan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2000 06:48 Subject: Re: CS>development work > > ## It was very clear with a faint violet tint, and yes, quite tasty. > Didn't check the TE or final PPM via meter. > I did make a batch of turbid [very cloudy] red once. I didn't have a meter > then. I had been shocking the batch over and over for several days off and > on while using it as a conductor to test the auto off. [I use a pot and a > volt meter now] > Still wondering if a cluster can have a total charge of more than +1 and if > not, where does the electron required to neutralize the charge come from? > Does that have anything to do with crystal growth and does crystal > size/configuration have anything to do with color? > It seems like a differently configured crystal would reflect a different > color of light. > Any ideas? > ken Ken, if you have been following my discussions at all, you will realise that I believe that clusters do indeed have a charge equal to the number of atoms it is comprised of. Seeing that electrons cannot swim... I have read somewhere that Ag++ atoms emitt violet light when in suspension. The colour of CS is related to size, and it seems that atoms and clusters may be arranged in fractals. Maybe of 5 particles per cluster. In this event the size of CS would increase in distinct steps...5 atoms, 25 atoms, 125 atoms and so on. This would limit the reflected light to distinct colours also, rather than a gradual shift through the spectrum... tends to aggree with my observations. > ## At .5 ma, production rates per wetted electrode area would probably be > so slow as to need no stirring to remain clear in room temp water. > At .8 ma, 3" X 12 gauge wire, water at room temp, about 17PPM via meter > the CS usually remains clear but sometimes goes yellow after a couple of days. > Could be variences in water quality. > If I use constant stirring I get little to no initial TE with room temp > water. > get a medium to bright initial TE without stirring. > In both cases the TE brightens with time. Yes. > Would you say the TE decreased with increased PPM in the lip smacker > violet batch? > Ken TE was quite low...this was in the days when I thought a bright TE was good. I was quite surprised at how strong it tasted and the ISE reading of 50+ ppm was off the scale of my concentration graph. Ivan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17/11/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:40:39 +1300 From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CS>development work Message-ID: <009401c05930$08cb0900$2ba93...@ivan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like very good CS, Ken. Is this the same configuration (0.8mA 3" 12#) with just a stirring mechanism added? Ivan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Berger" <[email protected]> > Ken, > > The sample that I made using you device with the stirrer had 26.4 ppm and it is > still absolutely clear. > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17/11/2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:02:09 -0500 From: "Philip I. Marie Sr." <[email protected]> To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: CS>Vaccine alert.... Message-Id: <v03110701b6495a6d0...@[63.75.120.169]> Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All; I have always avoided vaccines like the plague. (No play on words here) The one exception being the Pneumovax vaccine to prevent pneumonia. Pneumonia is a killer for the elderly and immune supressed.=20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Did Lyme Vaccine Give People The Disease & Arthritis? Concerns Grow Over Reactions to Lyme Shots =20 By Holcomb B. Noble NY Times 11-21-00 =20 =20 =46ederal health authorities are investigating whether some people who received the vaccine against Lyme disease later developed severe cases of arthritis and even Lyme disease itself as a result. =20 The Food and Drug Administration has received reports of such problems, mainly from doctors and researchers in the Northeast. The vaccine, made by SmithKline Beecham Biologicals, a subsidiary of the British pharmaceutical giant SmithKline Beecham, was approved by the drug agency two years ago, and about 440,000 Americans have received it. SmithKline Beecham defends it as safe. =20 Dr. Susan S. Ellenberg, director of biostatistics and epidemiology at the F.D.A., said the agency, working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, would investigate the reports "to find out what the cases really are, to get more information." Dr. Ellenberg and Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, assistant surgeon general and director of the centers' national immunization program, said it remained to be determined whether the vaccine was the cause of the reported illnesses. =20 "We have a vaccine that provides considerable, proven benefit , about 80 percent protection against Lyme disease and only theoretical risk with respect to arthritis," Dr. Orenstein said. =20 As a first step, the investigators will seek to determine whether, over all, vaccine recipients report arthritis or Lyme disease more often than people who have not received the vaccine. Until that initial step is taken, there is no evidence that the vaccine causes problems. =20 There is no way to determine how many people believe they have developed health problems caused by the vaccine. But in interviews, more than a dozen doctors in areas where Lyme disease is common say they have treated 170 people with arthritis and Lyme disease that they attribute to the vaccine. =20 According to SmithKline Beecham, the vaccine was tested in controlled, double-blind clinical trials involving 10,936 people; after two years, those who were vaccinated were not reported to have suffered any more illnesses than those who were not. =20 But when the drug agency's vaccine advisory committee recommended that the vaccine be approved for marketing, several members expressed concern that the vaccine could set off an autoimmune condition that, in turn, would result in arthritis. Some also said they feared it could cause flare-ups of Lyme disease among people previously infected with the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia bergdorferi. =20 Ultimately, in May 1998, the advisory committee endorsed the vaccine unanimously, concluding that the concerns were only theoretical and that data gathered in the clinical trials showed that the vaccine was safe. Carmel Hogan, a spokeswoman for the company, said of the vaccine: "Lymerix is the only clinically proven vaccine to protect against Lyme disease and both the F.D.A. advisory committee and the F.D.A. Office of Vaccines have determined that the vaccine is safe." =20 Until now, the government was actively investigating illnesses that broke out after vaccination only if they were officially classified as serious ,=C4=EE defined as life-threatening, persistent and long-term or requiring hospitalization. Lyme disease and arthritis were not generally regarded as meeting those criteria. =20 Researchers from both the drug agency and the disease-control centers will now investigate all cases of arthritis and all symptoms of Lyme disease reported to have developed after a patient has been vaccinated, Dr. Ellenberg said. The cases under investigation are concentrated in seven states: Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts and Wisconsin. =20 Dr. Orenstein likened the new investigations to those begun in the fall of 1998 after the licensing of the rotavirus vaccine against childhood gastroenteritis. Within six months, doctors reported 15 cases of intestinal blockages among vaccinated infants; though the number of cases was small, the rate was so much higher than normal that the drug and disease-control agencies declared a moratorium on the vaccine's use while the investigation continued. In October 1999, 98 cases cases had been reported and the manufacturer, American Home Products of Madison, N.J., withdrew the vaccine from the market, Dr. Orenstein said. =20 Some doctors say the drug agency should never have approved the Lyme vaccine or should have responded more quickly to adverse reports. Dr. Andrea Gaito, a New Jersey rheumatologist and president of the International Lyme and Associated Disorders Society, said she had told the agency that 21 patients developed severe arthritis soon after being given the vaccine by other doctors. =20 Dr. Gaito, who does not give the vaccine, said she believed that the vaccine caused arthritis and Lyme disease itself but that the problems were not always linked to it because the vaccine took effect only after three immunization shots given over the course of a year. "The F.D.A. had just better withdraw this vaccine now," Dr. Gaito said. =20 Dr. Charlene C. Demarco of Egg Harbor, N.J., an internist and family doctor, said 50 of her patients had developed autoimmune arthritis after receiving Lyme vaccine from other doctors and 30 others appeared to have flare-ups of previous Lyme infections. =20 Dr. Demarco said the agency had not moved quickly enough after initial reports of adverse effects. =20 Dr. Ellenberg conceded that the drug agency had at times acted too slowly. "We wish that some of these cases had been brought to our attention sooner," she said. "They should have been given a higher priority." She said "we have made that clear" to the unit that takes in the reports and records the medical data. =20 Still, other doctors and clinicians challenged the suggestion that the 170 people who developed problems suffered them because of the vaccine. "I would say, `Show me the data,' " said Dr. Gregory A. Poland, chief of vaccine research at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. =20 Even though the vaccine advisory committee recommended approval of Lymerix, the panel's chairwoman, Dr. Patricia L. Ferrieri of the University of Minnesota Medical School, said it had taken the action with unusual "ambivalence" because of concerns about the possibility of severe reactions. =20 Dr. Allen C. Steere, who directed SmithKline Beecham's trials of the vaccine, told the committee that it was hypothetically possible that the vaccine could set off an autoimmune reaction in which the body's immune system attacks its own tissue, and that this could cause treatment-resistant arthritis. =20 Dr. Steere had expressed the concern as early as 1995, shortly after the start of the clinical trials, when he said that some patients were already developing joint pain after getting the vaccine. =20 "A small percentage of patients have developed joint pain and arthritis following vaccination," Dr. Steere said in a letter to the National Institutes of Health. =20 As far back as 1989, Dr. Steere and research colleagues found that people with what they called prolonged, treatment-resistant Lyme arthritis often carried a gene variant called HLA-DR4. The suspicion was that among those people, some chemical component in their joint tissue resembled a chemical in the invading Borrelia bergdorferi. This, it was thought, could cause the immune system to attack a person's own tissue along with the foreign bacteria. =20 In July 1998, two months after Dr. Steere recommended the vaccine's approval, he and colleagues reported in the journal Science that they believed they had found the guilty molecular twins: a piece of protein on the outer surface of the Lyme bacteria was strikingly similar, they said, to a natural human protein in blood and other cells. This raised the theoretical possibility that when an infected tick bites a human, the person's immune system T-cells, the soldiers on the front line of the body's defense against disease, could destroy not only the foreign invader but also some of the body's own protein. =20 Some 60 patients who believe they were made ill by the Lyme vaccine are suing SmithKline Beecham for monetary damages, said Stephen A. Sheller, a lawyer with Sheller, Ludwig & Badey, of Philadelphia, which is handling the suits. And class-action suits have been filed by the firm in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania seeking to require the company to warn doctors and patients that it poses possible risks for those who are genetically predisposed to autoimmune arthritis or who have been previously infected with Lyme bacteria. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ =20 Phil Sr. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:34:21 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>edema question Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get Jobst support hose and the metal hose donner used to help put them on. Greater comfort, less fatigue, no edema, and fewer night trips to the bathroom! Don't buy the cheap kind. Jobst feels great and they last forever. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:01:28 -0600 (CST) From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>edema question Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Mamabear If her edema is caused by her heart and it can't go to her legs it will go some where else, and you don't want it to back up into the lungs. Serita -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:26:02 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Christmas trees Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [email protected] wrote: > I am tempted to make some Cs for my tree customers. Many are asking if > I know how to make the cut tree last longer. My way of making Cs in 16 > ounce containers is too slow. I hate to tell them I know a way as it > then leads to a long discussion as most have not heard of Cs. My wife > doesn't appreciate me telling them as she is not for alternative > medicine. Even for trees? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:35:19 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found that CS mixed 50/50 with aloe vera gel is very effective on acne. Apply and leave on. Marshall [email protected] wrote: > l am wondering if anyone knows if cs is good for keeping teenage acne > under control...my 11 yr old is experiencing it now..and nothing is > working..he has skin eruptions on other parts of his body too...any > ideas on this? where can l get topical cs that doesnt cost an arm and a > leg? or l just have him wash his face and other parts in cs daily to > keep the breakout areas down? thankyou. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:43:21 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>again Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ivan Anderson wrote: > Gravity is not interested in charge, only mass. Even the most highly > charged colloid if left undisturbed for some measure of time, will be > found to be more concentrated at the bottom than at the top of a > container. > Agreed. As the particles come closer together at the bottom, they experience an increase mutual repulsion, that keeps them apart. This mutual repulsion can be seen as a kind of pressure, and as such will prevent more from moving toward the bottom, without some moving back toward the top. It is not unlike the atmosphere, where the air is more dense near the earth than higher up. But if it were not for the mutual repulsion of the particles, there would be no increase in "pressure" between the particles near the bottom, and the particles would continue settling until they are all on the bottom. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:47:05 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>development work Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ivan Anderson wrote: > Ken, if you have been following my discussions at all, you will realise > that I believe that clusters do indeed have a charge equal to the number > of atoms it is comprised of. Seeing that electrons cannot swim... > I agree if the cluster has all atoms on the surface. But for clusters that have atoms hidden internally, I am not convinced that those internal contribute to the charge. Do you have any references that address this? I don't. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:01:49 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: CS>misinformation on CS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More serious than the attacks on CS by that obsessive MD who runs Quackwatch is this opinion in the current issue of the respected alternative health newsletter Second Opinion, which is run by William Campbell Douglass. In response to a reader's query about hearing that CS is valuable as an antibiotic which kills a wide variety of bad things, Douglass replied: "Everything you say about CS is true, but only if it is applied externally; it should not be taken by mouth (emphasis in the original). We've written about this many times in Second Opinion, but need to remind folks every now and then. The marketing blitz, which claims this "nutrient" is good for you when taken internally, is persuasive, but don't believe it. "Silver, if absorbed through the intestinal tract, stores in the gums, giving an unattractive bluish appearance. Fortunately, little of the oral products are absorbed because of the size of the CS molecule. It's okay to use it as a topical antibiotic, as it's been used by the medical profession for 40 years in that way. In my experience, I've found that three-percent hydrogen peroxide on infected wounds is much more effective and it will cost you only pennies per treatment. Another excellent use for H202 is for sore throats. Gargle and spit it out. Caught early, and treated three times a day, 95 percent of sore throats can be nipped in the bud. Silver, in any form, is not this versatile and since we have H202, is seldom needed except for the treatment of burns." Allen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:28:58 -0800 From: "Garrett, Susan L (NSE)" <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: CS and lupus Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain I have found CS has done wonders for my MS. It's amazing. I immediately went into remission, and now trying to heal the neuro damage. Now I'm having trouble finding other MS folks who are willing to give it a try. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mahoney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 09:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS and lupus 1. I have it on good authority that CS is not only beneficial to those with lupus but also for multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis. All three so-called autoimmune disorders. 2. "The Miracle of MSM" The Natural Solution for Pain By Stanley W. Jacob, M.D., Ronald M. Lawrence, M.D., Ph.D., and Martin Zucker Part Four: How MSM Helps Relieve Other Pain Problems 20. Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, Interstitial Cystitis, Scleroderma (snip) "MSM can provide major relief for lupus." (snip) Good luck Michael Marshall Dudley wrote: > > I am not aware of any improvement of those with Lupus when given CS. I think > there may be a good chance that taking CS may help prevent it, but as an > autoimmune disease, I believe there is little it can do once you have > it. > > Marshall > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Does anyone know if CS can help with lupus? I keep trying to get info from > > the archives, but can't get in. > > Thanks, > > Chris S. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > > to: [email protected] -or- > > [email protected] with the word subscribe or > > unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: > > Mike Devour <[email protected]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:20:29 -0800 From: Frances Jo <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: cs and skin eruptions/acne Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit did you check the archives? I remember several on this topic. Make sure the teens checks his diet. Peanuts and peanut butter in teens is one of the biggies to avoid. [email protected] wrote: > > l am wondering if anyone knows if cs is good for keeping teenage acne > under control...my 11 yr old is experiencing it now..and nothing is > working..he has skin eruptions on other parts of his body too...any > ideas on this? where can l get topical cs that doesnt cost an arm and a > leg? or l just have him wash his face and other parts in cs daily to > keep the breakout areas down? thankyou. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> -------------------------------- End of silver-digest Digest V100 Issue #898 ******************************************* Walter Lee The University of New Brunswick International Centre, Rm. 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