Thank you for your quick reply and for clearing that up. I really appreciate it Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: CS>Hoof and Mouth
>Nancy Steele wrote: > >> Hey guys how about the fact that you cant give CS to animals with >> more than one stomach. Has there been more research done that shows >> that you can do that? I havent checked the list for a while and I was >> on another forum and saw people suggesting that they check here to see >> if CS wouldn't help their cows. Other people were asking about >> doseages. I think this list is pretty respected and I know you guys >> aren't farmers but especially when Marshall and Bob Berger say to do >> it lots of people listen. > >Theoretically it is a problem, and our web site warns against it. >Practically however, I have had several people get back to me with >information that they have given CS to cows with very good results. > >This is what we know. > >1. Giving CS to (at least some) insects will cause them to starve due to >killing the bacteria in their digestive systems. Kills bees and >termites at a minimum. > >2. Giving CS to mammals normally causes no problems, ie. cats, dogs, >people. In Vitro studies have shown that CS is ineffective in solid >materials (not to be confused with topical use where it is effective), >thus is ineffective in the intestines, unless one has dysentery. > >Why it is a problem for insects is not known, but I can think of several >possibilities. First their intestines appear to contain liquid instead >of solids, thus the effectiveness is not decreased. Or there is so >little material in the intestines, and they tend to drink so much CS, >that the lack of effectiveness is not enough to prevent killing the >bacteria anyway. Or the bacteria that they have in their intestines is >especially susceptible to silver. > >3. Cows and other animals have more than one stomach. The first stomach >is basically a fermentation pot, in which bacteria and fungi break down >cellulose so that the later stomach(s) can digest the grass/hay/leaves. > >4. If the bacteria are killed, then fermentation can not take place, the >cellulose cannot be digested, and passes through as roughage. > >Now the question is how can one give CS to cows without disrupting the >digestion process in the first stomach. > >There are several possibilities. > >1. The first stomach contains material in a sludge which decreases the >effectiveness sufficiently that fermentation can still take place. (I >have no data on this, just a thought) > >2. When a cow drinks water, it is passed directly to the second stomach, >bypassing the first stomach. (once again just conjecture). > >3. If the CS is given at times other than when feeding, the CS will be >gone before feeding. > >4. The replication rate of the bacteria is so high, that it overwhelms >the kill rate of the CS, so there is no negative effect. This one will >depend on the ppm of the CS. > >So, we have several different avenues that can be explored for giving CS >to cows. Determining if digestion is being impacted adversely should be >easily determined by studying the cow's patties. If the grass is not >being broken down the paddies should contain lots of undigested grass. > >1. If number one is correct, then there is no problem, provided that the >ppm of the CS is not too high. >2. If number two is correct, then there is no problem, with any ppm of >CS. >3. If we use the third method, then even if one and two are incorrect, >we should still be able to give CS between meals. (yeh, I know a grazing >cow eats almost continually, so it may have to be hay fed). >4. If we use the fourth method, then one would need to use a CS which >does not affect the digestion. This can be determined by increasing the >ppm of the CS and observing the patties and determining at what point >some digestive distress is encountered. > >So at the very least, I believe some experimentation should be done. >Fortunately one should be able to determine distress in cows long before >they starve to death, and replenishing the bacteria in the first stomach >should not be a problem since they eat grass that is unwashed and have >had patties on and around it. > >Marshall > > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >[email protected] -or- [email protected] >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >
