Dear Solar You wrote:
> I don't follow you here, Stuart. I think it is a valid experiment. > As soon as one swallows the saliva/cs mixture, it IS going to be > exposed to HCl. > Immediately after spitting it into beaker "B", I will add a few drops > of saturated saline solution to both beakers. I will then observe for > the formation of silver chloride. ST: Ole Bob was clearly discussing sublingual absorption and was attempting to suggest ways of optimising same. Under such conditions he would not be adding hydrochloric acid or even salt to the equation. I don't recall anyone on this list denying that chloride complexes with silver. What I disputed, was that this was the end of the line for silver's biological utility, primarily because I had identified the already well-established potential for ammonia to redissolve the silver ions and also the apparent fortuitous presence of ammonia both in the saliva and intestinal/colonic lumen, the two main sites for likely ionic colloidal silver absorption. Chloride only features in this equation and in mere traces if the colloid was produced via the addition of saline to facilitate the fast production method, and I believe that salivary ammonia is sufficient to maintain silver's ionic availability under such conditions. I encourage my AIDS patients to constantly atomise colloidal silver into the mouth and I applaud Bob's honest efforts to emphasise the relatively high potential of sublingual use for optimised absorption of ionic colloidal silver. The reason that I raised the intestinal lumen ammonia issue, is that I don't believe that hydrochloric acid secretion in the stomach spells the end of silver that is swallowed, again because of said fortuitous presence of relatively high concentrations of ammonia at the lumen, which is where it all happens and really matters, and especially considering the strong inhibitory effect of ammonia on chloride secretion precisely there as well. I have long taken cognisance of the effect of chloride when suggesting the use of ionic colloidal silver, and hence my suggestions of the addition of H2O2 and 2/5ths of the freshly produced colloid's consumption on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, either following a glass of magnesium peroxide (highly alkaline and neutralising of active hydrochloric acid) or added to the colloidal silver water and with a suggested bowel evacuation prior to colloid consumtption. The remaining 3/5ths are recommended for consumption between meals and just prior to retirement, also to minimise the chloride effect. I also recommend a high alkaline, strict vegan, low protein / low grain (gluten protein) diet during the first 30 days of my protocol, if not for longer, indeed preferably indefinitely, and this serves to very significantly reduce the secretion of hydrochloric acid in the stomach, since especially concentrated and undigested protein is the main stimulus for its high secretion rate in the first place. I briefly list some of the worst acid forming "foods" to be avoided for health recovery (in decreasing order and with relative acid secretion stimulus values): oysters (5.0), bacon (5.0), veal (3.5), fish (3.5), meat & fowl (3.0), eggs (3.0), grains (3.0), nuts - excl almonds & Brazils (2.0), legumes, (1.5) peanuts (1.0). I believe that whilst Frank has done silver-listers a favour by bringing the importance of the potentially negative effect of chloride to their attention, he has also done them a huge disservice by being so dogmatic in his narrow approach to the subject. Clearly he has not been entirely fair in his presentation of the facts. If he had, he would have brought ammonia into the equation, since the counter-effect is of the textbook stuff he insists that we all stick to. Two graphic examples, including a new colour photo of the basic principles in action are posted on my website at http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver.html In the interests of advancing our understanding of colloidal silver, let us please stop being petty and over-sensitive, but please let us also be open to criticism and free to express ourselves. My earlier allegedly offensive remarks were reasonably, albeit briefly motivated. My challenge to Frank to explain his offensive remarks remains open, in spite of other's attempts to police freedom of expression. If this list will not allow open debate, I am challenging Frank go to my website debating forum "THE FREE RADICAL: The Editor Speaks Out .... and Visitors Back-Chat" and explain himself there without fear of censorship at http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/k/53454/ If Frank does take up the challenge, would he please be so kind to inform the list. If he does not do so, I will allow his declining to do so to speak for itself. Regards Stuart
