Hi James, These studies have probably already been done as part of investigations into other questions. It would be a matter of reviewing those papers. Dr Flick's bibliography would probably be a good place to start.
Good Luck ;-) Ivan. PS. If have read claims that silver citrate will release silver ions slowly in external applications, and will perhaps will do so internally also. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 11:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > > Correction: > > Is there a method for selectively binding silver ions compounds > or complexes > in serum? > If, so quantitative methods may be employed to measure the amount of bound > silver v. the free silver. Identifying the complexes/molecules containing > silver---based on the reaction products---may give some insight into the > transport mechanism, and some idea of what charge relationships > may free the > Ag ions at the point of interface with pathogens. > > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > Is there a method for selectively binding silver ions or > complexes in serum? > If, so quantitative methods may be employed to measure the amount of bound > silver v. the free silver. Identifying the complexes/molecules containing > silver---based on the reaction products---may give some insight into the > transport mechanism, and some idea of what charge relationships > may free the > Ag ions at the point of interface with pathogens. > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > -----Original Message----- > From: A.V.R.A [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:33 AM > To: Silver-List > Subject: Re: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > Ivan, > > ( You probably have a much larger audience than you realize ) > > You bring up a great point about the amount of colloidal silver ingested > through protein binding. However, I think even these small > amounts ingested > via this method can prove significant over long term use, and therefore > believe that the idea is still worthy of consideration. I don't believe, > when speaking "in vitro", that large amounts of colloidal silver > are needed > IF the colloidal silver is reaching the desired location in the > body. If an > "infection" in the body is being managed by the immune system but not > eliminated ( as is the case with many infections, else one would not live > very long ) then a one percent increase in the elimination of the > infection > can very well "turn the tide". Of course, this IS simplified. > > I believe there is a VERY significant difference in how colloidal silver > works in a test tube, when placed ON the body, and when used IN the body. > > I am convinced that SOMETHING must be occuring that we haven't > isolated yet. > Even if colloidal silver is adsorbed through the upper intestinal tract, > Frank et al is correct in questioning how colloidal silver retains its > effectiveness once hitting the blood stream ( of course their is > the ammonia > hypothesis, which I really need to explore further to achieve a full > understanding ). > > I know that if the stomach is not producing stomach acids, that the > effectiveness of colloidal silver ingested is greatly improved ( as in the > case when someone has not ingested foods for a long period of time ). > However, this does not alone explain an increase in efficacy. > > Where else can colloidal silver "bind" with these protein chains? > > I know that on this list, side effect reports are scarce ( it is > the nature > of this list ). > > However, in the short time my website has been up, I've received a few > correspondences ( and eventually anticipate more ) that are quite > interesting. Of course, I strongly encourage people to speak up about any > interesting effects. > > In particular, one individual started using a few SPRAYS per day in the > mouth, and shortly thereafter discovered that using any brand of > blond hair > dye turned her hair orange. Upon stopping use for about a month, the hair > dye's effect returned to the expected norm. This was from less than a > teaspoon of colloidal silver use per day. Of course, there are valid > questions about the type of colloidal silver, ect. > > If we start with the assumption that the information reported was > accurate, > then it is clear that a very strong metabolic effect was induced > through the > colloidal silver use ( obviously, the colloidal silver itself did > not cause > this condition ). I certainly haven't been able to reproduce such an > effect. > > Wouldn't it be relatively easy to create these protein chains > which preserve > the ionic silver? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ivan Anderson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:22 AM > Subject: RE: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > > > Stuart, Frank, Bob, > > > > I do not think that the idea that there can be a protective > effect by the > > binding of proteins to silver ions is valid. There may be some > sublingual > > absorption of silver, given that the silver binds to transport proteins, > but > > the amount of saliva is small, and the concentration of proteins whilst > > large in variants is small in concentration...less than 1% of plasma. > > Therefore most of the silver will progress to the stomach, and we have > been > > here before! > > > > It is obvious to my mind, that silver ions are absorbed in the upper > > intestine (by methods including those mentioned by Stuart) and > follow the > > same route as other ions such as copper and calcium. When they cross the > > basal membrane of the intestinal lumen and emerge in the plasma > most will > be > > attached to proteins such as albumin and metallothionine, and are > available > > to interact with molecules which are attractive enough to relieve the > > proteins of its cargo (so to speak). This might include groups found on > the > > cells walls of pathogens. Otherwise the are transported throughout the > body > > and ultimately excreted. > > > > The fact that silver ions complex with chloride is neither here > nor there > in > > my opinion, and while finding the exact method of absorption is a > > stimulating pursuit ;-) the outcome will not be changed by it. > > > > By the way, Stuart, I looked at the information given at the link you > > supplied (http://www.health2us.com/transport.htm), and found a paragraph > > written by me on another list is quoted word for word (twice! with no > > reference), and I thought no one was listening. > > > > Regards > > Ivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Frank Key [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2001 10:52 > > > To: Silver List > > > Subject: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > > > > > > > > While not a rigorous scientific experiment, this simple experiment was > > > devised to test the theory that saliva contains proteins that will > > > prevent the silver ions in colloidal silver from combining with > > > chloride. > > > > > > The experiment was conducted on 21 May 2001 at the Colloidal Science > > > Laboratory and the results have been photographically recorded and > > > presented with the results. > > > > > > The results can be viewed at: > > > > > > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/experiment/SalivaExperiment.html > > > > > > frank key > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > >
