Guys, I hate to barge in on a a personal discussion, but that is exactly what it is. A personal discussion. Why don't you continue it on a personal email basis? If there are some who wish to follow the continuing discussions, then simply CC them.
Now I have said this in all friendliness. You both have been very helpful and responsive to my many questions. I appreciate it and hope you will continuing providing your good help as I have further (probably inane to you in many cases) questions. Cordially, Steve > ** Original Subject: RE: CS>An epiphany? > ** Original Sender: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> > ** Original Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:12:16 -0400 (EDT) > ** Original Message follows... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Frank Key [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Ivan wrote: > > > > > Did you just insult me? The fact that I have decided to go back to > > > university as a pharmacology undergraduate is neither here nor > > there, you > > > either accept my opinion or not. I don't mind which. And > > remember that Dr > > > Maass is not immune to error either. > > > > Not an insult, just a statement of fact. > > > > You are in fact a student who is currently taking or recently > > just completed freshman chemistry. > > > > Dr. Maass is in fact a Professor of Chemistry with over 30 years > > experience in both industry and academia. > > > > Whatever your experience and education, it is fair to say that in > > the field of chemistry you are separated from Dr. Maass by light years. > > That does not make my opinions any less or more important than the > information they contain. > > I am not asking you to modify your beliefs or in any way act differently, > other than perhaps be a little more circumspect in the conclusions you draw. > You asked me a question...I answered...If you believe me to be wrong, that > is fine, its not the first time...I am open to persuasion, my opinions are > not absolute. > > > While it is generally a true statement that no one is immune to > > error, your reference above alludes to some error you believe Dr. > > Maass has made. I am not aware of such an error on his part. > > Well, we had a discussion earlier about the anomalies that exist between the > measured conductivity of 'colloidal silver'(about 35% high) and the > conductivity of silver ions in other solutions as presented in accepted > scientific tables. Dr Maass decided that this was due to the activity > coefficient, which I had already calculated and taken into account. He > subsequently corrected this error (via you, and you posted a graph to > reflect negligible influence the activity coeffcient as drawn by him) and as > a consequence this anomaly remains unresolved (I discounted your proposal > that the published tables are wrong). My tentative theory of multi-ion > particles or mixed atom and ion particles (jelium model) is the only > explanation so far advanced that I know of (and sparked off another round of > intense discussion!). > > > On the other hand, I am aware of the fact that Dr. Maass prepared > > a brief techical paper to explain the proper use of "solubility > > product" to correct the errors in your writings on the subject. > > The paper titled "Solubility Products Involving Silver Compounds" > > is posted on the web site at: > > > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/papers.html > > >As I recall, according to your calculation, 16000 ppm of silver ions would > >be imparted to water by merely placing metallic silver in the water. > > I have never said this, that would be ridiculous. > I did say that if silver ions could be introduced into water with no > complexing ions then the concentration could reach 0.15M or 16000ppm. And I > also said that I do not have much experience with solubility products and > was awaiting your corrections. > This correction did not address the inclusion of silver ions to water and > only advanced the calculation for the addition of AgOH(solid). You may want > to revisit this with additional parameters: the OH- content remains constant > or increases, and the silver is introduced as ions (is dissolved). My > calculations are out, but I suspect so are yours. > > >In conclusion, you took as insult my statement of fact that I would respect > >the opinion of Dr. Maass over your own opinion in the field of chemistry. > >It is hard for me to believe that any reasonable person would make a > >determination different than my own in this regard. > > I thought it a cheap shot...what if I had no formal education at all? > > >frank key > > Regards > Ivan. > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** >
