------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Steve <[email protected]> To: MICHAEL SPITZER <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Steve, which is which, again? Send reply to: Steve Wingate <[email protected]> Date sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:37:46 -0700
Michael, It is the other way around. [email protected] is for news articles and [email protected] is for discussion. You can tell what email address(es) you are subscribed to by viewing the full header near the top of the messages you receive from the lists. Regards, Steve On 2 Oct 01, at 18:36, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: > > > Steve, which of these is for articles, and which is for discussion??? > > [email protected] (I believe this is the one you designated for news > articles/postings, right??) > > And, [email protected] is for discussion and chat, right?? > > And, thanks again, > > Mike > > > P.S. Steve, I have been getting 2 of every SNET and IUFO posting, and I am > kind of confused as to which of the two subscriptions to each of the two > lists to unsub from so that I am still able to post (i.e., unsubbing either > of my two subscriptions to each of the lists will reduce my receiving 2 of > each post down to one of each, but I believe that if I select the wrong one > of the two of my email addresses to unsub, then my posts will not get to > list again, like before?? > > I will unsub both of my email addresses from BOTH lists, and resub again > (once to each), but to tell you the truth, I have no idea of what two email > addresses I am subbed to your groups with?? Could you tell me? I am quite > sure that ONE of the two must be my newest ISP, i.e., > [email protected] , and this is the ONLY one of the email addresses > that are good for me THAT I PREFER NOT TO USE IN ANY WAY, because it is the > ONLY one of my email addresses that are not LIFE TIME/PERMANENT ones > ([email protected] is no longer any good because Mindspring/Earthlink > bought Goodnet/Winstar BUT did not buy the Goodnet domain, therefore they > changed my email addy from [email protected] to [email protected] > without asking me, and without offering even a temporary forwarding of the > mail I am sent to the Goodnet domain to the new Mindspring one! > > So, Steve, I am not sure how all the mail list servers work, i.e., the old > ones (Topica, etc.) let me use any address I wanted to as a subscription > and return address, whereas lately (i.e., Yahoogroups, etc.) I am getting > the impression that I can RECEIVE but NOT POST if the email address I am > subbed with is different than the POP account my outgoing mail originates > with (namely the TEMPORARY [email protected] one...another week of so > before I quit Earthlink/Mindspring for something else, whereas > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], etc., are all PERMANENT, > and thus the ones I would prefer to subscribe to ALL the groups I am on. > > > Sorry for the trouble, again, but I am at a loss...i.e., 2 of every post is > just two much mail, too much time downloading, etc. > > > > > > ================================================================ > Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT > > FROM THE DESK OF: > > *Michael Spitzer* <[email protected]> > > The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends > ================================================================ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[email protected]> > To: "ctrl" <[email protected]>; "SNETNEWS" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:57 PM > Subject: IUFO: JANES: Vital intelligence on the Taliban may rest with its > prime sponsor - Pakistan's ISI > > > > > > > > > > http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/janes0110 > > 01_1_n.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Vital intelligence on the Taliban may rest with its prime sponsor - > > Pakistan's ISI > > > > By Rahul Bedi > > New Delhi > > > > > > Pakistan's sinister Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) remains the key to > > providing accurate information to the US-led alliance in its war against > > Osama bin Laden and his Taliban hosts in Afghanistan. Known as Pakistan's > > 'secret army' and 'invisible government', its shadowy past is linked to > > political assassinations and the smuggling of narcotics as well as > nuclear > > and missile components. > > > > The ISI also openly backs the Taliban and fuels the 12-year-old > insurgency > > in northern India's disputed Kashmir province by 'sponsoring' Muslim > > militant groups and ministering its policy of 'death by a thousand cuts' > > that so effectively drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan and led to their > > political demise. > > > > The goings on behind the ISI's nondescript headquarters, located behind > > high walls on Khayban-e-Suharwady avenue in the heart of the capital > > Islamabad and its operational offices in the adjoining garrison town of > > Rawalpindi, have dominated Pakistan's domestic, nuclear and foreign > > policies - especially those relating to Afghanistan - for over two > decades. > > > > The ISI chief, Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed, who was visiting Washington when New > > York and the Pentagon were attacked, agreed to share desperately needed > > information about the Taliban with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) > > and other US security officials. The CIA has well-established links with > > the ISI, having trained it in the 1980s to 'run' Afghan mujahideen (holy > > Muslim warriors), Islamic fundamentalists from Pakistan as well as Arab > > volunteers by providing them with arms and logistic support to evict the > > Soviet occupation of Kabul. > > > > The ISI is presently the 'eyes and ears' of the US-led covert action to > > seize Bin Laden from the Taliban, since hundreds of its agents and their > > Pathan 'assets' continue to operate across Afghanistan. Its influence > with > > the Taliban can be gauged from the inclusion of Gen Ahmed in the > Pakistani > > military and diplomatic delegation to the militia's religious capital, > > Kandhar, in southern Afghanistan in an attempt to defuse the looming > > military crisis. The Pakistani delegation appealed to the Taliban, albeit > > in vain, to hand over Bin Laden to the US, which holds him responsible > for > > the 11 September attacks on the World Trade Center and Washington in > which > > nearly 7000 people are feared to have died. > > > > Founded soon after independence in 1948 to collect intelligence in > > Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in East Pakistan (later Bangladesh), the > > ISI was modelled on Savak, the Iranian security agency, and like Savak > was > > trained by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the SDECE, France's > > external intelligence service. The 1979 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan > > led the CIA, smarting from its retreat from Vietnam, into enhancing the > > ISI's covert action capabilities by running mujahideen resistance groups > > against the Soviets in Afghanistan. > > > > Former Pakistani president General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, who was > ultimately > > assassinated along with his ISI chief, expanded the agency's internal > > charter by tasking it with collecting information on local religious and > > political groups opposed to his military regime. Under Gen Zia the ISI's > > Internal Political Division reportedly assassinated Shah Nawaz Bhutto, > one > > of the two brothers of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, by > > poisoning him on the French Riviera in 1985. The aim was to intimidate > Miss > > Bhutto into not returning to Pakistan to direct the multi-party movement > > for the restoration of democracy, but Miss Bhutto refused to be cowed > down > > and returned home, only to be toppled by the ISI soon after becoming > prime > > minister in 1988. > > > > The ISI is believed to have recently formed a secret task force under Gen > > Ahmed comprising Interior Minister Lt Gen (retd) Moinuddin Haider and > > Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Muzaffar Usmani to 'destroy' major > > political parties and the separatist Mohajir Quami Movement (MQM) in > > southern Sindh province. > > > > This task force has reportedly encouraged not only religious Islamic > > organisations such as the Jamaat-e-Islami (JeI) and Jamiat-ul-Ulema Islam > > (JuI) but also sectarian organisations such as the fundamentalist Sipah > > Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (which are closely linked to the Taliban > > and Bin Laden) to extend their activities to Sindh. These organisations > are > > believed to have 'slipped the ISI collar' and begun recruiting unemployed > > Sindhi rural youth for the Taliban, posing a threat to Gen Musharraf's > > co-operation with Washington by formenting jihad against the West. > > > > After the ignominious Soviet withdrawal from Kabul in 1989 the ISI, > > determined to achieve its aim of extending Pakistan's 'strategic depth' > and > > creating an Islamic Caliphate by controlling Afghanistan and the Central > > Asian Republics, began sponsoring a little-known Pathan student movement > in > > Kandhar that emerged as the Taliban. The ISI used funds from Prime > Minister > > Benazir Bhutto's federal government and from overseas Islamic remittances > > to enrol graduates from thousands of madrassahs (Muslim seminaries) > across > > Pakistan to bolster the Taliban (Islamic students), who were led by the > > reclusive Mullah Muhammad Omar. Thereafter, through a ruthless > combination > > of bribing Afghanistan's ruling tribal coalition (which was riven with > > internecine rivalry), guerrilla tactics and military support the ISI > > installed the Taliban regime in Kabul in 1996. It then helped to extend > its > > control over 95 per cent of the war-torn country and bolster its military > > capabilities. The ISI is believed to have posted additional operatives in > > Afghanistan just before the 11 September attacks in the US. > > > > Along with Osama bin Laden, intelligence sources say a number of other > > infamous names emerged from the 1980s ISI-CIA collaboration in > Afghanistan. > > These included Mir Aimal Kansi, who assassinated two CIA officers outside > > their office in Langley, Virginia, in 1993, Ramzi Yousef and his > > accomplices involved in the New York World Trade Center bombing five > years > > later as well as a host of powerful international narcotics smugglers. > > > > Opium cultivation and heroin production in Pakistan's northern tribal > belt > > and neighbouring Afghanistan was also a vital offshoot of the ISI-CIA > > co-operation. It succeeded not only in turning Soviet troops into > addicts, > > but also in boosting heroin sales in Europe and the US through an > elaborate > > web of well-documented deceptions, transport networks, couriers and > > payoffs. This, in turn, offset the cost of the decade-long anti-Soviet > > 'unholy war' in Afghanistan. > > > > "The heroin dollars contributed largely to bolstering the Pakistani > > economy, its nuclear programme and enabled the ISI to sponsor its covert > > operations in Afghanistan and northern India's disputed Kashmir state," > > according to an Indian intelligence officer. In the 1970s, the ISI had > > established a division to procure military nuclear and missile technology > > from abroad, particularly from China and North Korea. They also smuggled > in > > critical nuclear components and know-how from Europe - activities known > to > > the US but ones it chose to turn a blind eye to as Washington's objective > > of 'humiliating' the Soviet bear remained incomplete. > > > > A Director General, always an army officer of the rank of lieutenant > > general, heads the ISI, which is controlled by Pakistan's Ministry of > > Defence and reports directly to the chief of army staff. As the current > ISI > > chief, Gen Ahmed is assisted by three major generals heading the agency's > > political, external and administrative divisions, which are divided > broadly > > into eight sections: > > > > * Joint Intelligence North: responsible for the Taliban in Afghanistan > and > > the Kashmir insurgency. This section controls the Army of Islam that > > comprises Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda group and Kashmiri militant groups > > like the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (banned by the US last week), > > Lashkar-e-Toiba, Al Badr and Jaissh-e-Mohammad. Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz, > > presently commanding the Lahore Corps and a former ISI officer, > reportedly > > heads the Army of Islam, which also controls all opium cultivation and > > heroin refining and smuggling from Pakistani and Afghan territory > > > > * Joint Intelligence Bureau: responsible for open sources and human > > intelligence collection locally and abroad > > > > * Joint Counter-Intelligence Bureau: tasked with counter-intelligence > > activities internally and abroad > > > > * Joint Signals Intelligence Bureau: in-charge of all communications > > intelligence > > > > * Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous: responsible for covert actions > abroad, > > particularly those related to the clandestine procurement of nuclear and > > missile technologies > > > > * Joint Intelligence X: looks after administration and accounts > > > > * Joint Intelligence Technical: collects all technical intelligence other > > than communications intelligence for research and development of > equipment > > > > * The Special Wing: runs the Defence Services Intelligence Academy and > > liaises with foreign intelligence and security agencies. > > > > "The concern now for General Musharraf is whether the ISI will remain > loyal > > to him and provide the US with credible information or continue to pursue > > its aims of ensuing the Taliban's continuance in Kabul," said one > > intelligence officer. The US, he added, will pull out of the region once > > its objectives have been achieved, but Afghanistan, with its incessant > and > > seemingly irresolute turmoil, will remain Pakistan's neighbour for good. > > > > ================================================================ > > Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT > > > > FROM THE DESK OF: > > > > *Michael Spitzer* <[email protected]> > > > > The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends > > ================================================================ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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