I can see everyones point about the addition of the voltage trippler. I just know that i was looking at buying some rechargeables. Buying 3 at $20 each is quite allot to pay. THought it might be better to only have to buy one. Other people have mentioned that most people have 9V adapaters laying around which will be good to use for that. The use of the trippler was to bring it up to 27V which is close enough to 30V which is suppose to be the optimum. However if there is no optimum why not just use one 9V.
I think the problem is that everyone has a varying oppinion as to what creates the best CS. Without a stead fast definition there can be no way to create a device that acomplishes this. I deffinitly know that you need some sought of stirring mechanism such as a bubbler or maybe motor. Before I started using this my CS look cloudy and yellow after 30 min's at 27V no current reg. Now i can for 3-4 hours with it still being clear You definitly shouldnt use salt as that make it cloudy You definitly dont use mineral water I use demineralised water which works fine. Yet i've heard worries about leaching. Distilled water is good as well Try to keep the current between 20 and 1 micro amp. Set at 20 the black gunk builds up on the electrode, and is quite cakey. Set at 1 microamp the buildup is more silver and flakey. So which is better? I dont know. I know the smaller the current the smaller the particles. I guess its based on time as well, that is how much time you have between batch's. So i guess the key points are use the right water, having a stiring mechanism, and monitor the current. I know this is nothing new, but i thought it made sense to define it, even though in quite a straggly manner. If anyone else thinks theres more to add please do. Otherwise its like building a mini to go offroad instead of a dirt bike or what have you :-). Ok take care all damian PS In the end there may be one optimum way to make it that everyone agrees on but the people who use the faq may not be in the same circumstances so we should provide them with every available opportunity to make cs by providing different schematics On Tuesday 09 October 2001 01:47, Ode Coyote wrote: > The point made was about wasting power with all the extra electronics. > Each semiconductor eats up .7 volts and turns it into heat before it ever > gets to the business end of the generator. > > You won't save on 9v batteries, but it 'will' enable the use of a large > rechargeable battery of a lower voltage like a car battery. > > In most cases, lower voltage only increases the time it takes > anyway...and makes a better CS. One 9v battery works and 1 car battery > [12v] works too unless it interferes with other electronics functions > that require a higher voltage than that. > > Ken > > > > At 10:24 AM 10/8/01 +0200, you wrote: > > > > <excerpt> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>Hi George,</smaller></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>The purpose of this exercise is as > follows:</smaller></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>1. Reduce amount of money spent on batteries by 66% (by cutting number > of 9 volt batteries required from three to > one)</smaller></color></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>2. Make it easy to replace the battery input with a 9 volt wall adaptor, > thereby cutting costs even further.</smaller></color></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>3. Make it easier for non-technical people to handle battery replacement > in a box containing a single battery, rather than three or four batteries. > > </smaller></color></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>This is all in relation to a current-controlled Colloidal Silver > generator. Since we are controlling current, we are definitely NOT > concerned about "wasting" electrons, since we actually have too many > electrons. Hence the need for current regulation. > > </smaller></color></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>If you want to stay with your three batteries (and this is ideal for > most beginners) I congratulate you on your choice. As far as I am > concerned, however, I like to improve and enhance the production process. > > </smaller></color></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><color><param>8080,8080,8080</param><smal >ler>Joseph.</smaller></color></fontfamily> > > > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:26:55 -0500 > > From: "George Martin" <<[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <<[email protected]> > > Subject: CS>Re: voltage tripler > > Message-Id: <<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > > > > I'm not sure what the purpose of this exercise is. If it is to > > somehow save $$ by buying one battery instead of three there are > > several very important points that are being missed. > > > When you produce your CS with the tried and true 3X9vdc battery > > method, every single electron that is "liberated" by the actions of > > completing the circuit (i.e. hooking the battery terminals to Ag > > electrodes and placement in DW) goes to either heating up the wire > > and current limiting resistor (if used) or generating CS. > > > When you begin to add electronic components, you start to accrue > > additional "costs". More wire means more electrons "wasted" to heat > > that wire (more resistance). Regulators perform their function at a > > "cost" of more electrons being used to operate the device and some > > of these electons serve only to convert their motion (i.e. "current > > flow") to heat via "friction" (i.e. "electrical resistance"). That > > is how the output current is controlled. If you have ever > > inadvertanly placed your finger onto an operating regulator you are > > well aware of this fact There is a reason why these devices are > > often attached to heat sinks (that is also what the little metal tab > > with a hole in it is)... it prevents the device from > > self-destructing. > > > The additional components needed to "increase" the single 9vdc to > > 27vdc (or whatever level you feel is ideal) > > all have an associated "cost"... they will ALL convert a significant > > portion of the electrons chemically liberated from your single 9vdc > > battery to heat due to the inherent resistance and other associated > > electical phenomena of these components. > > > The bottom line is this: Instead of using 99.99999% (or whatever) > > of the electons to generate CS you are instead using a very > > significant portion to heat the immediate environment of your now > > "New & Improved Colloidal Silver Generator". The savings you appear > > to have gained are illusory and will possibly end up costing you > > very close to the same $$ PLUS you have spent the $$ of several > > batteries for the pleasure of "improving" upon a very efficient and > > proven circuit. This is a classic case of KISS (Keep It Simple > > Stupid). > > > Now, having said all that there is a place for such "trickery". If > > your voltage source comes from a renewable resource (i.e. 9-12 vdc > > solar cell) that is capable of producing much more that the 2 mA or > > so needed to generate very effective CS, the electrical cost > > (reduced efficiency) can be justified in the very significant > > reduction in $$ to go from 9vcd to 27vdc (or whatever) worth of > > solar cells and/or rechargable batteries. > > > Regards, > > George Martin > > > > --Original Message Text--- > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:29:05 +0200 > > > RE: CS>Re: voltage tripler > > > What values should the capacitors have (for 9 volts in and 27 volts > > out) and which diodes should be used? > > > Is this suitable for DC inputs, or only for AC? > > > </excerpt><<<<<<<< > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
