CS as deodorantTrouble with that test is it is very crude - every DIY process for making CS will produce some fraction of particulate (ie colloidal) silver - anything from less than 1% to perhaps 30%. How would one know where in the range their product lies? Many will take exception with the claim that the best product contains no metallic (colloidal) silver. That sounds like pure silver nitrate!
Kevin Nolan ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 in CS I found this on the web regarding a method of testing CS using Hydrogen Peroxide: The best product contains no metallic silver and a very simple test for metallic silver is to add some hydrogen peroxide to the solution. For a valid test, pour a few spoons of your colloidal silver into a new clean plastic bag and add about half a spoon of hydrogen peroxide to it. Expel most of the air and seal the bag. Lay it where it will not be disturbed and look for bubbles after a few hours! If there are many bubbles, you have very poor product! If metal free, there will be none, even after 24 hours! Metallic silver is a catalyst for breaking down hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen gas, while silver ions have no effect! Richard Bob Bartell wrote: After reading Jason's message about adding hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to CS and remembering other posts in the past that have mentioned this, a little bell went off in my head with a link to some memories of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, et al. Anyhow, I went to the medicine cabinet to check what was there and found a bottle of 3%. It was acquired from K-Mart and in prominent size lettering on the front it states 3% H2O2 U.S.P. When I went to school, that stood for United States Pure. The fine print on the back says "Also contains 0.001% Phosphoric Acid as a stabilizer, and Purified Water". Purified water means "no live bugs" but other "inert" ingredients may be dissolved in the water - right? Well, I better get out those old supplier lists of Food Grade H2O2 and make my own dilute solutions with distilled water. That, hopefully, won't screw up my CS experimentations. Anybody else care to comment on their experiences with H2O2 in CS? Namaste: Bob -----Original Message----- From: AVRA / Jason [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>volltage ? Trem's generator ( personally speaking ) create a CS that tastes about "half" as "metallic" as a very high ionic colloidal silver ( as tested by ionizing remaining particles with H2O2 ) at about 10PPM. I've noticed that as the PPM increases, so does the strength of the taste, considering with a good current controlled generator, the ratio of ionic vs. colloidal content should roughly remain the same ( within reason ). From my observations, an 85% ionic CS as compared to a 95%+ ( only estimated ) CS has quite a different taste ( the latter being more bitter or harsh ). However, you can get the same level of taste from a nine-volt battery setup... While a very strong batch will be lower quality because of the runaway reaction producing larger particles and producing a poorly dispersed end product, it will still "taste" quite potent. I don't think taste can be used to gauge quality, only to determine whether or not there are silver ions. Silverpuppy generators produce a CS that is very similiar taste-wise; the taste of Natural Immunogenics Argentum 23 is also very comparable. But, being taste, this is all very subjective, although I just went and took a small sip of all three. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Trem To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>volltage ? Hi Russ, We test all our SG7 Pro machines by making CS and calibrating them at the same time. So, we always end up with CS that measures at least 15 PPM determined by using 3 PWT's for averaging purposes. Since lab tests show our CS is 85% ionic that means it is at least 17 PPM total silver. The figure of 15 PPM is actually on the low side because we usually crank the output up to 20 PPM to assure customers they can get at least 15 PPM. So, that means our CS made during testing is usually 20+ PPM. I drink between 1 and 4 ounces at a time daily. To me the taste is usually not metallic but does save a faint astringent flavor. When I have made it to strengths of 35-45 PPM it sometimes does have a metallic flavor but by no means is it unpleasant. I must also let you know my palate is not the meat and potatoes type. We cook with lots of spices and exotic flavors so our CS might taste different to someone that is used to a more bland diet. Are there any of you out there that have one of our generators that would care to chime in? 1) What's your CS' PPM? 20+ 2) How was it measured? PWT and AA 3) How would you rank it's flavor intensity (1-5)? 2 Trem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Rosser" <[email protected] > To: <[email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:55 PM Subject: CS>Re: CS TASTE POLL -- The 3 Questions > Arnold, > > > The use of a conductivity meter can be ambiguous as the introduction > > of air, particularly by stirring or bubbling, can lead to an increase in > > conductivity. > > Yes, and it indicates only the ionic content, which may be of little > efficacy. > > > Using a laser pointer to indicate the presence of actual > > silver particles is definitive... > > If...an increasingly bright beam is > > observed as the process continues, > > you are making colloidal silver > > Yes, TE indicates *if* "you are making colloidal silver," but not > necessarily *when* when to STOP. As I understand it, learning to > differentiate between the TE effects of particle size and those of particle > quantity is an esoteric attainment, and not a reliable guage of how > effective a batch will be. > > > Relying on peoples taste is wildly unrealistic. Ask any chef. > > Maybe, but there would be no chefs if virtually *everyone* could not > distingiush their offereings from those of a short-order cook. Suppose we > let the empirical results speak to your assertion? Please respond: > > 1) What's your CS' PPM? > 2) How was it measured? > 3) How would you rank it's flavor intensity (1-5)? > > Thanks! --Russ > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour < [email protected] > > > > >
