I am so proud of you two. You give me faith in man-kind again. smile Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: John Reeder
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: CS>[Listowner] All it takes...
Hello Bob,
Thank you for the apology, and I ask your forgiveness for the harshness in my
posts. I honestly was trying to get answers and meant no harm. My tongue
(fingers on keyboard) gets carried away at times. The next time I offend, go
ahead an chastise, I need it and need to take a good look at what I am saying.
My sons-in-laws won't come to my aid anyway, they said that I am a big boy and
need to take care of myself, and anyway, I probably deserved whatever was going
to happen to me. So much for my backups. Lets be friends, okay? Stress is an
enemy that we all have to deal with, especially in this modern society. My wife
just found a website that tells me that almost everything that I eat (processed
foods) is bad for me, now that is stress.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Tai-Pan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>[Listowner] All it takes...
Hi Mike and all members,
My most humble apologies to all, especially John. Yes, sometimes stress
overcomes us and then we see what happens. This is not my normal self, thank
goodness. :-)
Thanks for the reminder Mike, you are so gentle with us when we become
remiss.
I still bless folks, even the ones I get mad at.
Bless you, Bob Lee
"M. G. Devour" wrote:
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke
Bob, you're feeling irascible today?
Bob Lee writes:
> Not hardly. Where do you get such BS. Are you calling me a lier.!!
> You need to get your head out of your ass.
Followed, blithely unconcerned with the irony, by his default
signature:
> Bless you, Bob Lee
I quote Burke because of this:
> New people come along and think they know it all , without ever
> doing any experiments of their own, and act like all us old timers
> didn't ever do anything. ... You are Johnny come latelys and need to
> spend a couple hundred hours in the archives ... before thinking that
> you know something that we haven't already done with experiments.
All it takes for new people to be thrust into the role of giving
advice, Bob, is for old-timers to remain silent. The list has been so
quiet of late with so little participation from long-time regulars like
yourself, that I am going on the assumption that we are rebuilding our
community from the ground up with a new group of active people.
I realize that we've lost several valuable members due to fatigue from
constantly answering newbie questions. Of course the root of this is
my continued failure to publish the FAQ's that Roger was kind enough
to substatially begin for us. I'm actually working on that project
again -- despite recurrent major car repairs and other domestic crises.
<sigh>
In the meantime, I think you'd have been able to help us all, and John
as well, by cutting out the anger and personal attacks and giving him
and us better information. Remonstrate with him if you must, but do so
gently and civilly, please.
You make a good point here:
> Lets hear the personal things he has done and how they worked for
> him.
That is the best basis for any advice -- personal experience! It is how
we avoid the trap of propagating unproven, or even provably false
ideas.
You make an even *better* point when you say:
> We want positive things here, not negative things. Negative things do
> nothing for anyone. Negative things will not heal anyone. Lists will
> not heal anyone.
As in... anger or harsh words? And if there's a bigger "list of links"
than our forty nine thousand message archives, I don't know what it is!
Without us old-timers to point the way via search words, member names,
or thread titles, etc., the archives are nearly impenetrable to anybody
who isn't damned *good* at using such tools. It's not easy to start
with no knowledge of the subject and get anything useful at all. Not
impossible, but not likely, either.
So until the glaciers recede and I publish the FAQ's, we've got to
depend on each other for everyday guidance for our new people.
Pull in your horns, eh? If John keeps a civil tongue in the face of
your assault he'll be a bigger man than I am. Such a confrontation
won't help us.
Be well,
Mike Devour
silver-list owner
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[[email protected] ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
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