AVRA / Jason wrote: > Summer: The idea that caffeine is in any way directly related to > Argyria is patently false. > > > I never said that caffine is related to argyria. Only that for > compounds of silver to plate out on silver atoms to form larger clumps > of silver requires a developer. This requirement is scientific fact. > If you don't believe it then study some photo developing books. It is > plain chemistry. If it plates out then a developer must be present. > Now I said that caffine makes a fair developer, as do a large variety > of tannic acid compounds. It is quite likely that some natural fluid > of the body is also a developer, but as far as I know that has not > been tested or verified. I prefer to work with facts and not > speculation, and the fact is that caffine and tannic acid compounds > are indeed developers. Are they necessary for argyria to develop, > probably not, since there will be likely other developers present in > low quantity. Will having large amounts of caffine or tannic acid > compounds in the blood increase the formation of argyria? I believe > that an educated guess is that they would since rapid silver plating > out is believe to be necessary. > > If the silver is depositing in the fingernails, it is likely it has > already started to accumulate internally, but this has not been > conclusively demonstrated either. The only way to tell would be via > biopsy or autopsy. > > > Since it only accumulated in an area that was actively growing, how > can you reach that conclusion for an already grown adult? > If silver buildup reaches a toxic level interally it is lethal. > > > I have never seen any evidence that silver is toxic, and certainly not > lethal. What evidence do you have for this? Don't go quoting > anything that used silver compounds, we all know some silver compounds > are toxic. I can use the same logic to prove that carbon or nitrogen > is lethal by using cyanide HCN as an example. The compound is not the > same thing as the element. > > I can quote from an authoritive source that supports this. CRC > Handbook, 52nd edition, page B-30: "While silver itself if non-toxic, > most of it salts are poisonous due to the anions present. .... Silver > has germacidal effects and kills many lower organisms effectively > without harm to higher animals." > > This, I believe, would be nearly ( if not ) impossible with the use of > low PPM colloidal silver, even with extremely large amounts of > colloidal silver consumed daily over a lifetime. Such things were at > one time documented with very high concentrations of silver compounds > injected into the body. Extreme silver toxicity has severe > nuerological and respiratory consequences.
Once again, I have never seen any evidence or documentation of this for CS or silver metal. That is for silver compounds. You are doing the same thing the FDA does and try to confuse CS with silver compounds. They act totally different. No one argues with these facts with silver compounds, but to try and transfer the data over to CS is not legitimate without any supporting evidence, of which I have never seen any. I would assume that if CS were to cause neurological damage it would impare one's IQ. My IQ was around 100 last time I had it tested years ago. I just took another test a few weeks ago after taking CS for 4 years, and now it is reported as 135. Would neurological damage caue an IQ increase? I don't think so. Marshall
