The list was not exactly jam-packed with hot new information at the time Saturday Morning. We did not interfere with any serious exchange.
Did you have something more interesting to offer? Nine of 11 posts you listed were, in title at least, related to CS. Many had meaningful CS content. I apologize for your time spent reading the off-topic material and the wear on your delete finger. James-Osbourne: Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Frank Zaccheo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V102 #614 Please Unsubscribe me. --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > silver-digest Digest Volume 102 : Issue 614 > > Today's Topics: > RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>Sick sheep > Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>Sodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of > making it. > Re: CS>Light-Scattering > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > Re: CS>Light-Scattering > Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > CS>Re: opinions > Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:49:18 -0600 > From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > Yes. All of that has also been my observation. > When one experiences a > really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol > becomes thick and > distasteful, without even considering the > aftereffects and long-range health > deterioration. > > Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin > addiction after as little > as one dose has been reported in the medical > community. I hear it is a > fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able > to track it down. > > > NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content > follows: I wonder if you > took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver > could you could watch the > sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out > the mechanism on a > molecular level? > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in > 35+ years. I suspect > it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally > directed niacin from the > shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both > thermal and the prickly kind > gotten from niacin. > It is the brain that directs everything, after all. > Direct the brain and > there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been > using the shroom for > eons to enable alternative focus of attention. > Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram > people overnight. > Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have > been "cured" in days > without withdrawals with the use of strong > psychedelics such as abogain > [sp?] treatments. The early experiments with LSD > yeilded some similar > amazing results too. > But it's not legal here. > People who have their programming erased get > strange ideas about freedom > that those who would define it for us don't like. > [No more achoholism AND > no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no > need for a car?] > They like the idea that one would be freed of a > drug addiction, but don't > like it when the person gets freed of the whole > consumer addiction/wage > serf value system enchilada. > > If someone rethinks the entire system from > scratch..that could be > dangerous. > When role playing means nothing, what then, is the > role of leader worth? > Ken > > > At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Ode Coyote wrote: > > > >> Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden > dollar..brain > fertilizer. > >> > >> It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual > lump about the size of a > >> ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and > getting bigger. > >> Ken > > > >Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several > of those. > > > >Jeannie > > > >> > >> > > > >-- > >We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. > > > > > > > >Jeannie McReynolds > >Oregon Coast > > > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > >Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:21:52 -0700 > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > Thanks much Barbara. This will most likely give the > owner enough confidence to at least start using it > orally. > > Trem > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Liles > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > > Trem, > > I have used CS mixed with milk replica for calves > who already had the scours. It helped the scours. > > One calf had a respiratory infection so we put him > on IV CS, but started him on oral. > > Both calves lived to become ground round! In > speaking with a vet about giving oral CS to a rumen, > he said a severe infection was more of a threat, but > then he did add that the gut flora might need > adjusting with one of the multitude of products > available. > > On our farm we mix it with the horse water > periodically and have had a calf drink some > occasionally. No ill effects. > > Just my opinion, but having worked in veterinary > medicine for eons, we generally try to address the > original problem and be supportive of secondary > issues. > > I don't think sheep tolerate high temps as well as > most animals. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marshall Dudley > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > > IV might be the best course. And if you could > put an ultrasonic humidifer with CS in it, it might > make it into the lungs if pneumonia is prescent. > Marshall > > Trem wrote: > > Hi List, Our neighbor has a lamb about 6 > months old that is running a fever of 105 F.and the > fever is not responding to antibiotics. Its most > significant symptom is the fever and lethargy. The > fever was up to 107 F. It has been sick for 5 days > and getting antibiotics for 4 days. The vet thinks > it is an enterococcus or maybe pneumonia but no > usual pneumonia symptoms are present. The digestive > symptoms that accompany enterococcus infection are > not present either. The stool was initially loose > and had mucous when the antibiotics were first > started but has since normalized. We have offered CS > to her but she is worried about the rumen being > compromised. Does anyone have any direct experience > with giving CS to sheep? Thanks folks. Trem > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:31:07 -0700 > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same > as Psilocybe Cubensis > and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous > (dung lovers). > > Trem > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM > Subject: RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > > > > Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing > mostly in wood. There > > are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in > the Gulf area. I was > > hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found > one. Other days 80 and 90 > > pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the > juice 50/50 with beer > in > > a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. > > I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up > :-) > > Gosh that was a long time ago. > > ken > > > > > > At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a > neoplasm. > > > > > >I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia > Cubensis that grows in the > pies. > > > > > >James-Osbourne: Holmes > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]] > > >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > > > > > > > > > > Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden > dollar..brain > fertilizer. > > > > > >It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual > lump about the size of a > > >ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and > getting bigger. > > >Ken > > > > > >At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >>"If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow > disease?" > > >> > > >>I love it! > > >> > > >>Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? > I have never heard of > > >that > > >>therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a > project. > > >> > > >>James-Osbourne: Holmes > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Ode Coyote > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM > > >>To: [email protected] > > >>Subject: Glad gow syndrome > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting > the noble cubensis in > the > > >>distant 70s. > > >> But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in > muscles over night. > > >> It seemed to have a magical property of > concentrating a prodigious heat > > >>wherever the concentration was held on a certain > spot with a healing > > >>intent. It feels much like a mentally directed > niacin flush. Makes the > spot > > >>reddish and radiant with heat. > > >> Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in > the arm muscle vanishes by > > >>morning... > > >> I have no idea what it was, just that it went > away and never came back. > > >> > > >>If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow > disease? > > >>Ken > > >> > > >> > > >>At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >>>Have you guys been blending the sol with > cow-pie fungi? > > >>> > > >>>James-Osbourne: Holmes > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Ode Coyote > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM > > >>>To: [email protected] > > >>>Subject: Re: CS>Re: buying cs instead of making > it... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> The DR Clark Kent super zapper! > > >>> It could change anyone in a phone booth in a > real hurry! > > >>>..and make one leap over tall buildings. > > >>> No para sites on MEEEE! > > >>>[I have real sites ] > > >>>Ken > > >>> > > >>>At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: <[email protected]> > > >>>>To: <[email protected]> > > >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM > > >>>>Subject: Re: CS>Re: buying cs instead of > making it... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a > Stun gun with silver > ones. > > >>>>Impress > > >>>>> your friends. > > >>>>> WOO,HOO!!! > > >>>> > > >>>>LOL! And if one has to use it as a self > defense device... You could > > >induce > > >>>>some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds > with silver at the same > time. > > >>>How > > >>>>thoughtful and considerate. :) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>-- > > >>>>The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal > silver. > > >>>> > > >>>>Instructions for unsubscribing may be found > at: http://silverlist.org > > >>>> > > >>>>To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > >>>> > > >>>>Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > >>>> > > >>>>List maintainer: Mike Devour > <[email protected]> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:00:30 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> > To: *Silver-List* <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>Sodium Hydroxide was buying cs > instead of making it. > > Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one > makes the CS, when an > oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during > electrolysis, the > remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver > ion. So when salt is > added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and > the Cl swapping partners > so to speak. That would give silver chloride and > sodium hydroxide, or lye. > > Marshall > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > Just to clear up a few things :) > > > > If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, > then the talk of sodium > > hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. > > > > The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ > + Cl- => AgCl), and > > are called spectator ions. > > > > Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are > already oxidised, > > sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently > with water. > > > > Ivan. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:26:00 -0400 > From: "Frank Key" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > The observed color of colloids is mostly determined > by particle size only > for low particle concentrations (below about 2-3 ppm > of particles [not total > silver]). A typical "colloidal silver" product as > produced by electrolysis > contains between 5 and 20 percent particles (10% is > typical). Therefore, a > typical 10 ppm total silver colloid contains about 1 > ppm of particles and > it's color would be mostly determined by particle > size. > > For higher concentrations of particles, above about > 5 ppm of particles, the > dispersion of the particles seems to be a more > prominent determining factor > in the observed color. The dispersion can be changed > without changing the > particle size by slight ionic and pH changes to the > dispersant. > > In a colloid whose particle size was measured to be > 1.4 nm with 99.5% of the > volume of the particles contained in distribution > whose width is 0.5 nm we > have caused slight ionic changes and watched as the > observed color became > the following colors: yellow, orange, red, green, > blue, and violet. > > The particle concentration of the sample colloid was > about 16 ppm of > particles. > > From this we conclude that while observable color is > mostly determined by > particle size for low concentrations of particles, > for higher particle > concentrations, the observable color is primarily > determined by particle > dispersion. > > In all cases the observable color is the complement > of the absorbed > wavelength as determined by a scanning UV/VIS > spectrophotometer. In our lab > we use the Spectronic Unicam UV1. > > frank key > www.colloidalsciencelab.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:53 AM > Subject: RE: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > Yes, it would seem that gold coloured silver sols > start at particle > > sizes of about 60 - 75nm (0.060 - 0.075 micron), > but the data given > > does not tell us at what point the yellow colour > first appears other > > than <38nm (<0.038 micron). > > > > If I remember correctly this data seems to be at > odds with the results > > obtained by Frank Key? > > > > Ivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marshall Dudley > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 2:18 a.m. > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > > > > > > I have looked for years for the information in > table 3! It > > > seems all our > > > estimates of particles size for yellow and gold > sols has > > > been on the low > > > side by a factor of 2 to 4. The yellow > particles are way > > > over the size > > > often given as the range of acceptable sizes > which goes up to 15 nm. > > > > > > This article is definitely a keeper. > > > > > > Thanks for finding it. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > An in depth investigation of light scattering, > absorption and > > > > transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has > some colour > > > photographs of > > > > silver sols. > > > > Warning: scientific and technical...just > ignore the math, perhaps > > > > start at page 13. > > > > > > > > > http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf > > > > > > > > Ivan > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:35:17 -0500 > From: harsha godavari <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Ken: > I believe salt is donating some of the chloride > to silver o form > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate if > formed in large > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > Regards > Harsha Godavari > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to go > somewhere when [if?] the > > chlorine swaps sides. > > Is it possible that something else is happening > to make the milkyness when > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions and > we've accepted a > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing and > complicated dance when > > injected? > > Ken > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:05:03 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> > To: *Silver-List* <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > You do have a good point there. I just did a > regression on the silver data > ( on line java applet for that is at > http://intrepid.mcs.kent.edu/~blewis/stat/lsq.html > ). The linear does not > fit very well, and the quadratic fits pretty well, > The cubic fits very well, > but it has a minimum around 25, which we know is > incorrect. So I think the > quadratic is probably the best representative of the > three.. > > The formulea is: > > y = 411.1764282955657 + 0.3112651021088278x + > 0.005722307218039878x^2 > > This produces the table shown at > http://silver-lightning.com/cgi-bin/silver.pl > > Now one thing becomes clear rather quickly. The > absorption wavelength does > not change rapidly with size as the size gets > smaller. For instance, from 0 > to 5 the wavelength changes by less than 2 nm, and > from 95 to 100 the > wavelength changes by almost 7nm. Thus the yellow > range of particle sizes > is extremely wide! > > But another thing to note is that true to form, this > extrapolation is off, > and significantly so as the particle size gets > smaller. We KNOW that CS is > clear when the size gets small enough, but the > generated extrapolation shows > it to still have a yellow color all the way to 0, > absorbing in the violet > range since it never goes below 380 nm ( > http://www.sencore.com/custsup/color/Color_Analysis.htm > ). > > Thus we still need at least one good data point in > the area under 10 nm to > get a good curve fit. > > Marshall > > The program generating the data is: > > ! /usr/bin/perl > print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; > print "<table border=0 cellspacing=0 > cellpadding=0><th>size > nm</th><th>absorp. peak nm</th></tr>"; > > for ($x = 0; $x <100; $x += 5) { > $y = 411.1764282955657 + > 0.3112651021088278*$x + > 0.005722307218039878*$x*$x; > print "<tr><td>$x</td><td>$y</td></tr>"; > } > print "</table>"; > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > Yes, it would seem that gold coloured silver sols > start at particle > > sizes of about 60 - 75nm (0.060 - 0.075 micron), > but the data given > > does not tell us at what point the yellow colour > first appears other > > than <38nm (<0.038 micron). > > > > If I remember correctly this data seems to be at > odds with the results > > obtained by Frank Key? > > > > Ivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marshall Dudley > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 2:18 a.m. > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > > > > > > I have looked for years for the information in > table 3! It > > > seems all our > > > estimates of particles size for yellow and gold > sols has > > > been on the low > > > side by a factor of 2 to 4. The yellow > particles are way > > > over the size > > > often given as the range of acceptable sizes > which goes up to 15 nm. > > > > > > This article is definitely a keeper. > > > > > > Thanks for finding it. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > An in depth investigation of light scattering, > absorption and > > > > transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has > some colour > > > photographs of > > > > silver sols. > > > > Warning: scientific and technical...just > ignore the math, perhaps > > > > start at page 13. > > > > > > > > > http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf > > > > > > > > Ivan > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:15:30 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > > > Yes. All of that has also been my observation. > When one experiences a > > really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol > becomes thick and > > distasteful, without even considering the > aftereffects and long-range health > > deterioration. > > > > Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin > addiction after as little > > as one dose has been reported in the medical > community. I hear it is a > > fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able > to track it down. > > It is also spelled ibogaine. > http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to > possess in the US. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:26:54 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Ah, elementary chemistry. I love it! OK, took about > 3 oz of 5 ppm CS, 80% ionic, > and added a pinch of salt. The solution became > slightly milky. Added about an > oz of household ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), and it > cleared back up. > > Good idea. That seems to confirm the hypothesis that > the ionic CS reacts with the > NaCl and forms AgCl. Darn, misplaced my laser > pointer. I wanted to confirm that > the colloidal part was unchanged by this, but I > guess that will have to wait till > another day. > > Marshall > > harsha godavari wrote: > > > Ken: > > I believe salt is donating some of the > chloride to silver o form > > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate if > formed in large > > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > > > Regards > > Harsha Godavari > > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to go > somewhere when [if?] the > > > chlorine swaps sides. > > > Is it possible that something else is happening > to make the milkyness when > > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions > and we've accepted a > > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing > and complicated dance when > > > injected? > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:37:07 -0400 > From: "Arnold Beland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Marshall, > > Send me your address and I will happily send you one > of my laser pointers > as a small acknowledgement of your contribution to > this forum in the years I > have been lurking here. I have several thousand in > stock. > > Best Regards, > Arnold Beland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Dudley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > > > Ah, elementary chemistry. I love it! OK, took > about 3 oz of 5 ppm CS, 80% > ionic, > > and added a pinch of salt. The solution became > slightly milky. Added > about an > > oz of household ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), and > it cleared back up. > > > > Good idea. That seems to confirm the hypothesis > that the ionic CS reacts > with the > > NaCl and forms AgCl. Darn, misplaced my laser > pointer. I wanted to > confirm that > > the colloidal part was unchanged by this, but I > guess that will have to > wait till > > another day. > > > > Marshall > > > > harsha godavari wrote: > > > > > Ken: > > > I believe salt is donating some of the > chloride to silver o form > > > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate > if formed in large > > > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > > > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > > > > > Regards > > > Harsha Godavari > > > > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to > go somewhere when [if?] > the > > > > chlorine swaps sides. > > > > Is it possible that something else is > happening to make the milkyness > when > > > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions > and we've accepted a > > > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing > and complicated dance > when > > > > injected? > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > <[email protected]> > > > > ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:37:57 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>Re: opinions > > > I look for facts. I found them. > > > Then give the links or references; not "somebody > said". > jr > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:42:29 -0700 > From: "AVRA / Jason" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > Christine: > > A batch of silver that reacts that way to H2O2 might > be fairly low quality > CS... I have never used, ( as Ken mentioned ) h2o2 > during the process, only > afterward. > > Remember that a severe reaction between CS and H2O2 > is the H2O2 reacting > with the particles. Since home brew units are > usually not capable of > producing a high PPM QUALITY particulate silver, I > would hypothesize that > there was either tiny flakes of silver in the CS, or > agglomeration. > > I work hard to achieve a higher particulate CS when > using CS and H2O2 for > more topical applications, such as mouth infections, > sore throats, ears, > etc... Trying to achieve this without producing > complete sludge is not > easy. I want the particles, even larger ones are ok > ( since the H2O2 will > reduce them ), but I don't want a completely blown > batch. > > I use Ken's SilverPuppy for this, as he runs the > current extremely low ( > which REALLY helps to keep the reaction under > control as the batch is > overrun ). I employ both mechanical and thermal > stirring. I first plate > out silver on the bottom of the glass container ( by > running a batch for > hours on end with his generator, thus "blowing" the > batch ). Then, I start > with room temperature distilled water. I run the > next batch with mechanical > stirring, and a gentle heat source. At about the > time I would usually stop > the reaction with this particular generator, I > instead start pumping up the > heat. In this case, I'll often remove the > electrodes for cleaning ( which > is always a big no-no from my point of view when > trying to achieve a most > excellent product ), and as the reaction continues, > I keep pumping up the > heat, until just under boiling. I stop the > reaction. > > What I get is a product that I likely wouldn't use > internally per se. It is > often has a golden hue ( really pushing that poor > lil generator ) and an > extremely rich tyndall effect. > > When I add my 35% H2O2, the CS will boil briefly, > but it will turn clear, > not brown... If it were to turn brown or grey, I > would hypothesize that I > have silver flakes in the CS, or extremely large > particles. After it is > done "boiling", I seal the container ( always glass > ). > > I've played with various concentrations of H2O2... > Of course, caution needs > to be applied, because if the H2O2 remains high, it > can easily damage > injured tissue via oxidation. > > If I add a touch of H2O2 to a high quality colloidal > silver I've made, the > reaction is not visible at all. No boiling, no > color change. The only way > to confirm the reaction is through the change in the > tyndall effect. > > Kind Regards, > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > > > > > I once used a few drops of H2O2 as a starter and > made silver snow flakes > > like you'd see in one of those snow scene paper > weights. > > Ken > > > > At 10:28 AM 8/30/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >I have a question or two about making the 3% > H202/CS mixture. About 15 > > >minutes after making a batch of CS using my LVDC > method (3 batteries, > heat > > >stirred, 16 oz. distilled water, 12 g. .9999 > silver wires (my own brewing > > >setup) - brewed for approx. 1 hour after the > bubbles started coming off > of > > >the anode - was a very light yellow and had good > Tyndall), I put a few > > >drops of the 3% H202 into the CS and shook it and > it immediately turned > the > > >most aweful shade of dark brown/grey I've ever > seen. It also had many > tiny > > >bubbles like the H202 was reacting. I let it sit > for a while hoping it > > >would change into something a little more > 'friendly' looking, but it > > >didn't. So I added a little more H202 and it > turned very light, almost > > >clear, with alot more of the tiny bubbles in it. > Finally after a few > more > > >minutes, it became totally clear with no bubbles > at all. > > > > > >Was this a stage it went thru? What is actually > going on when you add > the > > >H202? I read that it is dissolving the > 'particles' of silver and turning > > >the entire mixture into an ionic solution. If > this is so, can you use > too > > >little or too much H202? It seemed like I used > too little at first and > by > > >adding more it finished it's business. I just > don't know. Anyone have > the > > >answer? Also, if you dissolve all the > 'particles', does it still carry a > > >positive charge? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Christine > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > >To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > > >Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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