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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > silver-digest Digest Volume 102 : Issue 621 > > Today's Topics: > Re: CS>Mystery sweetner > CS>re CS CO-OP Con > CS>Re: sodium hydroxide > CS>neutralizing aloe > Re: CS>neutralizing aloe > Re: CS>OT: echinacea > Re: CS>OT: echinacea > Re: CS>neutralizing aloe newie inquiry > Re: CS>neutralizing aloe how about beer and > alcohol > Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > CS>Low-Budget Flurosecence Microscopy > Re: CS>HVAC > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:29:41 -0500 > From: Bill Missett <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Mystery sweetner > > Thanks, Tel, that's just what I needed to know. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tel Tofflemire > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Mystery sweetner > > > You will find your answer here. > Tel Tofflemire > Dewey, AZ > http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/maltitol.html > > Bill Missett wrote: > > Anybody have any knowledge of an artificial > sweetner named "maltitol"? > We just bought some "sugar free" cookies, and > find the sweetner is the above > named substance. > > (Mandatory CS reference) However, we are both > taking CS and have no side > effects. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Stebbins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: CS>CS Strength > > > Waitaminnit!! What about the toxic effects of > "I" as in AgI below, or > > NO3- for that matter? How come mom used to > paint that stuff (iodine) > > onto our cuts and scrapes?? Could it be > someone in Canada wasn't > > thinking too straight?? > > > > "[email protected]" wrote: > > > > > Johnny wrote: > > > > > >> Catching up- Can anyone respond to the > factual nature of the > > >> statement here- about silver ions killing > organisms in the soil? > > >> Johnny Silverseed- author: > > >> "C/s...@ntibiotic Suprehero" > > > > > > Hi Johnny, > > > > > > The last sentance of this paragraph is what > I was refering to. A link > > > to this report by the Canadian Gov. (B.C.) > follows. Keep in mind the > > > toxic level noted is per kilogram of soil. > > > > > > > > > > > http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver/bcsilver-36.htm#TopOfPag > > e > > > > > > > > > > > > Irrigation with 9.8 mg silver/L is toxic to > maize and 4.9 mg/L is > > > toxic to lupines (Cooper and Jolly 1970). > There was no significant > > > effect on wheat or maize at 460 mg/kg silver > as AgI in sandy or loam > > > soil but 640 mg/kg silver as AgI of soil > inhibited germination of > > > Engelmann spruce seeds (Klein 1978). > Spraying a AgNO3 solution at 9.5 > > > mg silver/L caused damage to Cattleya > orchids (Beyer 1976) and a > > > decrease was noted in the growth rate of > bean plants grown in a > > > nutrient solution containing 9 µg silver as > AgNO3 /L. Silver levels in > > > the sediments or soils which exceed 25 to 50 > mg silver/kg may have > > > significant effects on the heterotrophic > activities of the microbial > > > flora (Sokoland Klein1975). > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found > at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > <[email protected]> > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:15:58 -0700 > From: "Harold MacDonald" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: CS>re CS CO-OP Con > > I have been on this Health food kick now for nearly > thirty years and have spent tens of thousands of > dollars over the years on > supplements,books,news-letters,etc.I joined the > CO-OP at the very start and am more than pleased and > satisfied with them. > As for bargains,there is an old saying I have tried > to follow over the years,"A poor man can't afford to > buy anything cheap!"Think about it. > Harold. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release > Date: 5/7/02 > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:15:52 -0600 > From: BJ <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>Re: sodium hydroxide > > It is impossible to make a bar of soap without > sodium hydroxide. You can > certainly make a detergent bar without, but not a > bar of soap. > > Also, in a properly made bar of soap, there isn't > any lye left because it > has saponified. > > > Jean > > > >I > >Anyone that read ingredients like I do, would know > that sodium hydroxide > >shows up many places, especially in many > toiletries, such as shampoo. It is > >also a major component in many soaps. > > > >Marshall > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:22:59 -0600 > From: BJ <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>neutralizing aloe > > Okay, now I'm lost. What does this mean? Why would > you want to neutralize > aloe vera when it's with CS? What happens? > > Thanks, > > Jean > > > "I had at one time thought of suggesting that sodium > hydroxide could be used as well as baking soda for > neutralizing aloe vera > when you add CS..." > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:38:49 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>neutralizing aloe > > This has been discussed here many times before. > Aloe Vera tends to be acid. > The low ph tends to make CS quickly aggregate and > fall out. To prevent this, > you must always neutralize the aloe vera before > adding the CS. I have always > suggested doing it with bicarbonate of soda, but > sodium hydorxide would work as > well. Once neutralized then the mixture is stable > when kept in the > refrigerator for several days, instead of minutes or > hours. > > Marshall > > BJ wrote: > > > Okay, now I'm lost. What does this mean? Why > would you want to neutralize > > aloe vera when it's with CS? What happens? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jean > > > > "I had at one time thought of suggesting that > sodium > > hydroxide could be used as well as baking soda for > neutralizing aloe vera > > when you add CS..." > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:39:28 -0700 > From: Roman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>OT: echinacea > > Try http://www.powerattunements.com/herp.html . > Search for echinacea on that > page. > Also, > http://www.curezone.com/schulze/handbook/echinacea.asp > > Roman > > Connie wrote: > > > A couple of more years back, on one of my lists, > (that being one of the > > problems), I read a paper with an alternative > opinion on whether echinacea > > should be used on an on/off schedule (as is > normally suggested). > > That piece was also saved on a system that is long > gone. > > I have searched the couple lists I thougth it may > be on but have not been > > able to locate it. > > Does anyone have reference to such an article? > > TIA > > Connie > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:58:51 -0500 > From: Jeannie <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>OT: echinacea > > Connie wrote: > > > A couple of more years back, on one of my lists, > (that being one of the > > problems), I read a paper with an alternative > opinion on whether echinacea > > should be used on an on/off schedule (as is > normally suggested). > > That piece was also saved on a system that is long > gone. > > I have searched the couple lists I thougth it may > be on but have not been > > able to locate it. > > Does anyone have reference to such an article? > > TIA > > Connie > > I read a letter from a scientist who claimed that it > was his research that has > been quoted to mean that echinacea is only effective > for a few days at a time, > and should not be taken long-term. He said that his > research had been > misunderstood. He said that all he had said was > that they had only tested it > for a few days. > > I don't know where to find the information now. I > think it was put out by the > people who make "One Life," which is a supplement > supposed to prevent > sickness. It contains echinacea as well as several > other things, and is > intended to be taken continuously. > > I could probably find their address if it were > needed. > > Jeannie > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > -- > We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. > > > > Jeannie McReynolds > Oregon Coast > > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: mars larz <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>neutralizing aloe newie inquiry > > > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > This has been discussed here many times before. Aloe > Vera tends to be acid. > The low ph tends to make CS quickly aggregate and > fall out. To prevent this, > you must always neutralize the aloe vera before > adding the CS. I have always > suggested doing it with bicarbonate of soda, but > sodium hydorxide would work as > well. Once neutralized then the mixture is stable > when kept in the > refrigerator for several days, instead of minutes or > hours. > > Marshall > > BJ wrote: > > > Okay, now I'm lost. What does this mean? Why would > you want to neutralize > > aloe vera when it's with CS? What happens? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jean > > > > "I had at one time thought of suggesting that > sodium > > hydroxide could be used as well as baking soda for > neutralizing aloe vera > > when you add CS..." > > > > I buy commercial aloe and add a tespoon of > advanced cs that i also buy. should i add baking > soda or soidium hydroxide to neutralize it? > > > > --The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > thank you > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:37:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: mars larz <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>neutralizing aloe how about beer > and alcohol > > > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > This has been discussed here many times before. Aloe > Vera tends to be acid. > The low ph tends to make CS quickly aggregate and > fall out. To prevent this, > you must always neutralize the aloe vera before > adding the CS. I have always > suggested doing it with bicarbonate of soda, but > sodium hydorxide would work as > well. Once neutralized then the mixture is stable > when kept in the > refrigerator for several days, instead of minutes or > hours. > > Marshall > > BJ wrote: > > > Okay, now I'm lost. What does this mean? Why would > you want to neutralize > > aloe vera when it's with CS? What happens? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jean > > > > "I had at one time thought of suggesting that > sodium > > hydroxide could be used as well as baking soda for > neutralizing aloe vera > > when you add CS..." > > > > -- does this also mean that if you're taking cs > and have a beer or a drink that the acid in these > substances would deplete the cs in your system as > they are both very acidy? can they be neutralized? > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > thank you > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:56:21 -0700 > From: Malcolm Stebbins <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > Well, OTOH there is Stropharia Rogosoannulata (I kid > you not!) commonly called > the King or Garden Stropharia, wine mushroom, > Omigodlookathesizathathing!! > (colloq.) > It is an undeniable saprophyte. > So-called 'Stropharia Cubensis' are usually S. > semiglobata, a "dung fungus" > resembling P. cubensis but not blue staining. > There are other imitators of the > true blue P. spp. that stain blackish and will make > you sicker 'n a dog or worse, > so readers be warned that sampling some mushrooms > can reduce your mileage right > down to zero. > > I think you'd enjoy *Growing Gourmet and Medicinal > Mushrooms* by Stamets, Ten > Speed Press. > From the Frontispiece . . . . . . . . . Mycotopia: > An environment wherein > ecological equilibrium is enhanced through the > judicious use of fungi for the > betterment of all lifeforms. > > In a transparently devious attempt to keep this on > topic; the False idea that you > can distinguish a poisonous mushroom from > non-poisonous ones because it will > discolor a piece of silver, or make it non-poisonous > by cooking it with silver > is yet more of the stuff S. globata grows on. > > Take care, Malcolm > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > Ok, cool! > > Ken > > > > At 08:31 AM 8/31/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the > same as Psilocybe Cubensis > > >and they do not grow on wood. They are > coprophilous (dung lovers). > > > > > >Trem > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM > > >Subject: RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Stropheria is a slightly different genus > growing mostly in wood. There > > >> are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in > the Gulf area. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:50:55 +0900 > From: "Jonathan B. Britten" > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: CS>Low-Budget Flurosecence Microscopy > > The-Scientist.com is a wonderful, free online > science publication. I > love it. Here is a good link for those of you who > are doing real > home-science with CS, especially those vending > products and wanting to > do further analysis of the molecular > characteristics. > > If this is useful to anyone I would curious to know > just how it might be > used to look at CS. Presumably it would be useful > only for particulate > as oppoosed to ionic CS? > > JBB > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:59:58 -0700 > From: Malcolm Stebbins <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>HVAC > > A further problem here is the kickback voltage > resulting from the > collapse of the secondary field. Generally speaking > this induces about a > 300 volt spike on the primary winding, which energy > must either be > wasted as heat or re-used in a resonant > configuration. A six cylinder > gasoline auto engine at 6000 rpm needs 3 X 6000 > sparks per minute max., > or 300 per second, and most coils are wound to be at > max efficiency at > more reasonable rpm, say 3000 - 3600. Also, the > resonance effect is > often used in high performance ignition system coils > to produce a > multiple spark train which gives superior ignition > or burn > characteristics to the fuel-air mix; often a lean > one. > > Soooo, making some WAGs and estimating the resonant > coil-system freq to > be no more than 10 to 1 over the basic engine > demand, the system > resonance point would be about 1500 to 2000 Hertz. > The ratio of the > primary to secondary windings is about 100 to 1, and > the high secondary > voltage of 20,000 to 30,000 volts is produced by the > extremely rapid > field collapse of the secondary when the 'points' or > equivalent circuit > is opened or re-triggered by the hi-perf kits. By > considering the dwell > angle its possible to estimate the duty cycle of the > coil worst case; > for a six cylinder engine dwell angle - the time > allowed for the coil > primary to fully establish its field is, or was > before magnetic or > optical 'points' - up to 45 degrees, or a total of > three-fourths of the > entire rotation for all six firings. During the > other one fourth the > points were open, so for less than one twenty-fourth > of each cylinder's > two revolution cycle its ignition circuit > discharged, for one eighth it > charged. Electrical energy from the battery entered > the system for up > to three fourths of the time, and left it via the > high tension sparks > for somewhat less than one fourth. > > Overall, the ignition system draws perhaps 6 to 10 > amps at 12 to 14 > volts or between 70 and 140 watts at a max. At 100 > watts continuous, a > 30,000 volt DC discharge consumes 3.33 mA, to do > thisover one sixth the > time and collect its wits for the other 75 - 80 % it > will achieve a 20 > mA current pulsation, (square wave, call it 7 kV @10 > mA rms). A > sinusoidal 60 Hz waveform into a neon sign > transformer producing 15,000 > volts AC at 30 mA (rms) will consume 250 watts > according to its label > and will be constrained to discharge over perhaps > two thirds of it's > cycle for a 45 mA pulsing current consumption. > > A comparison shows that the wattage consumed by > ignition and neon > systems are in a one to two-and-a-half ratio, the > voltages will probably > end up at about 20kV for the ignition system vs 15 > for the neon, since > both discharge path and stray capacitance will suck > down the ign voltage > peak, and perhaps a one to four or five ratio for > the current density. > > My very ball-park speculation, then, would be that > the ignition system > with well-chosen components would be about one third > to one fourth as > productive as the neon transformer system. All the > standard disclaimers > that I really don't know what I'm talking about > apply here, and my fudge > factors could be off at least as far as anyone > elses, but its a shot at > the problem from a different perspective. > > Malcolm > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > An auto spark coil would be problematic. First it > would be difficult > > to get the current you need, since they step the > voltage up by over > > 1,000:1 I believe. It would require an amp to > generate a milliamp of > > current on the secondary. Second, the coil is > made to operate at high > > frequencies (that is a rapid rise and fall time). > To allow the silver > > time to aggregate into particles, or move > sufficiently away from the > > electrode before reversal (and it will reverse, > even if the waveform > > is asymetrical unless you put a high voltage diode > in the secondary) > > would require very high voltage. > > > > Lets take an example. To make a gallon an hour at > 60 htz requires > > abou 10K volts and about 25 mA of current. With a > spark coil, which > > typically has a 10 microsecond pulse before the > leakage inductance > > shorts it out, it would require 50,000 pulses a > second to maintain the > > same duty cycle. But this would quickly burn the > coil out, since it > > is made for duty cycles of maybe 1/100 of that > max. So if we run it > > at 500 pulses per second, we are running at about > 1% duty cycle. The > > amount of current necessary would need to be about > 100 times large for > > the same production rate. Thus we need about 1.4 > Amps of secondary > > current. With the step up these have, that would > require about 3,000 > > amps on the input. And since the frequency is > about 8 times as high, > > the current needs to be about 8 times as high as > well, or about 30,000 > > amps. Of course if you want to make it at a > slower rate, then you > > could use a lower amperage, of maybe 1 amp, and > make a gallon in about > > 30,000 hours. > > > > Now I could be off by a factor of 2, or even an > order of magnitude on > > some of these estimates, but the result would > still be the same. I > > believe it would be impratical. > > > > Use a 15 KV neon sign transformer like I do, and > it will work fine. > > > > Marshall > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > >> Has anyone tried making a HVAC generator for CS > with a 555 timer and > >> an auto coil? If the waveform is symmetrical and > there is no ground > >> reference then pulsed DC should work just as well > as AC. Just > >> curious... > >> > >> Andy > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
