> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:58:33 -0500
  > From: Robert Berger <[email protected]>
  > To: silver-list <[email protected]>
  > Subject: CS>It's location and ??

  > Hi there EIS'ers,

  > I put together a 2 gallon system for Rich Adams and ran  the first
  > batch here;  7 hrs. yields 35.2 PPM with current pegging  the 12.6
  > ma limit of the constant current regulator.

  > Rich took  the unit home and ran 4 batches from 6.5  to  8.5 hours
  > and never had a current greater than 6.5 ma !!!!!!!!

  > I brought the unit home and ran 6.25 hrs.. and had 12.5 ma !!!!

  > An other interesting difference is that my first run was  35.2 PPM
  > and the second run was 10 PPM????

  > Location could be #1 but what changed the PPM?? I have seen that a
  > number of times before with the same setup???

  > "Ole Bob"

  Hi Robert,

  My guess  is  Rich's water may be purer than the water  you  use, or
  much colder.

  I'd measure  the initial current when voltage is  first  applied and
  see if there is a difference between your results and his.

  I've measured  the  current  rise,  and   it  is  very  close  to an
  exponential:

    I = e^(t + const)

  The constant is the initial current due to impurities in  the water.
  This decreases with temperature.

  With the low voltage you can apply from a LM117, the initial current
  determines how long it takes to get into current limiting.

  If the water is very pure, or very cold, the initial current will be
  low.

  If so,  much of the time will be spent on the exponential  rise, and
  not in full current limiting.

  If you  integrate the current over time, fewer  total  electrons are
  passed through  the solution, and from Faraday's  law,  fewer silver
  atoms are removed from the anode.

  This could explain the difference in ppm.

  One solution  might  be to seed the batch with 10%  from  a previous
  batch. This  will  increase the initial current and  get  the system
  into full current limiting much faster.

  Let us know if you find the solution!

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett


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