Hey Guys, if we could just drain a bit of testosterone from our frontal lobes for a while, we might just learn something significant about the process of producing CS. The point was, "how do positive silver ions become particles"? Frank, in the ITOP experiments, did you measure the Coulombs into the cell versus the Coulombs out? Best Regards, Arnold Beland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Key" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl
> Mike Monett wrote: > > > > Frank stated the reason the mist forms is due to the electrons > > flowing through the solution combining with the silver ions. > > I never made such a statement. Those are your words, not mine. > > > Unfortunately, free electrons cannot exist in an electrolyte. A > > simple check in any chemistry text or encyclopedia shows this to be > > I never made any statement concerning "free electrons" in an electrolyte. > Again, those are your words, not mine. > > It would seem that you are making up concepts, attributing them to me, and > then arguing against them. > > I do take exception to having my words twisted into unrecognizable and > inaccurate statements and then being attributed to me. > > It is clear to me that no useful purpose is being served by further > exchange. > > > frank key > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Monett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > > > > url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60983.html > > Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > > From: colloidal.silver > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:24:34 > > > > > Hello Mike Monett... > > > > > I think you are sincerely working to further C.S. knowledge... > > > However, I have seen you repeatedly criticize very knowledgeable > > > people on this list (out of context)... I suggest that you post > > > your degree/degree's, the university / universities they came from > > > & , and any relevant experience in exact detail... Then allow us > > > poor stupid idiots out here the chance to verify your claims to > > > expertise... etc... Frank Key most certainly knows more about C.S. > > > than you & so dose Trem at Silvergen... > > > > > It's time for the competitive & and sales oriented verbal abuse to > > > end... This is a democratic and egalitarian forum, not a character > > > assignation training ground, for would be c.e.o.'s of advertising > > > firms... > > > > > Myself, I have 5 years cumulative of college , am a trained > > > (10-yrs.)Telecommunication tech., (3yrs.)Quality control Tech., 6 > > > years in the service as a microwave systems tech. etc... Am I a > > > PHD. in physics like Dr. Robert Beck, who you acused of being a > > > snake oil salesman on this forum...No... And I will never pretend > > > to be... However, no background is certification for the crap you > > > keep launching at people here, in such an obviously derogatory > > > fashion... If you keep this up Mike I am going to put forth the > > > request that you be perminently banned from this list for > > > repeatedly using verbal abuse tactics. > > > > > Learn Some manners, > > > Alexander J. Federowicz > > > Providence, Rhode Island > > > > Alexander, > > > > I'm sorry you feel that providing evidence that disproves a > > statement is such a terrible offense. But I'm sure Frank appreciates > > your support. > > > > I do not understand your reference to sale-oriented literature. As I > > have stated before, I have no intention of producing colloidal > > silver commercially. There are too many companies doing this > > already, and one more would only be lost in the noise. I have other > > interests that are far more compelling. But I am very interested in > > finding out how the process of making cs works. > > > > Frank stated the reason the mist forms is due to the electrons > > flowing through the solution combining with the silver ions. > > > > Now, it is true that electrons do flow in metals - that is how your > > lights work when you switch them on. Electrons also flow in a vacuum > > - that is how your display monitor works. > > > > Unfortunately, free electrons cannot exist in an electrolyte. A > > simple check in any chemistry text or encyclopedia shows this to be > > true. Here are two references: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Electrolyte > > > > Electrical conductor in which current is carried by ions rather than > > by free electrons (as in a metal). > > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/e1/electroly.asp > > > > Oxidation-Reduction Equations > > > > An oxidizing agent (oxidant) is any substance can accept electrons > > (thus, itself reduced). A reducing agent (reductant) is a substance > > can donate electron (itself oxidized). Oxidation and reduction > > reactions must always coupled (free electron cannot exist in > > solution) > > > > http://web.njit.edu/~hsieh/ene560/General_CHem.html > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Having free electrons in an electrolyte would also violate the > > principle of electroneutrality, and it would be impossible to write > > balanced equations for a chemical process. > > > > And, if free electrons could exist in an electrolyte, how could a > > battery work? It would immediately self-discharge. > > > > Frank's statement about electrons causing misting does not fit the > > observed facts. When you start the cs process using 3 nines, there > > is no mist. The mist does not appear until the end of the process, > > when the concentration of silver and hydroxyl ions is sufficient. > > > > If the mist was caused by free electrons, it would begin immediately > > at the anode where the silver ions are produced. Instead, it starts > > at the cathode, and only at the end of the process. > > > > Also, it is difficult to see how electrons could combine at the > > cathode to form a mist, then cross a great gulf between the cathode > > and anode without encountering any other silver ions, and then form > > another mist cloud around the anode. You can see this effect in the > > picture. > > > > http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg > > > > So Frank's statement cannot be true based on theoretical grounds and > > by simple observation. Can you explain the reason for the > > differences? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mike Monett > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > >
