Godzilla cs & H2O2 To List;
There is something very strange about the cs made with Godzilla. I have remarked on this with a friend in private email, and now have seen it often enough to present to the group. I have washed my fabrics using bleach, ammonia, vinegar, washing soda, borax, and anything else that I can think of that might kill mold spores. Nothing works more than a few hours. I have tried cs and H2O2 by themselves. They had no effect. But cs & H2O2 together had a very strong effect on most of the spores. This led to further investigation. The first experiments were with 425 ml solution. Everything worked as expected, and I wanted to make more cs to do all my clothes. Thus was borne Godzilla - 11.5 sq in electrodes wound in a flat spiral and centered in a Pyrex 2 litre measuring cup. I was having problems with a hard black coat on the anodes caused by some unexplained change in the Wallmart dw. Swapping the electrodes removed the coating from the cathode, but it reappeared on the new anode. This was tough to get rid of. Eventually I found a dw called "Life" made by a pharmaceutical company. It seems to work well, and eventually solved the problem. The cs made during this time had such a strange reaction I only mentioned it in private email. Nobody would believe it. When I poured the cs in a large jar and added the tiniest bit of H2O2, the entire jar would explode in a bright yellow color, then a white cloud would appear hiding everything. It did this for 7 straight runs. I am appending the data for all the runs for your examination, and the UPC codes for each bottle of dw. On the 8th run, adding H2O2 did not produce the huge yellow explosion, and it has not appeared since. The amazing thing is how the cs reacts in the salt test. Without H2O2, it does the normal expected things. When H2O2 is added, something else happens that has never happened before. It is highly repeatable. I pour 1 litre of cs in a jar, then add 100 ml of ordinary 3% H2O2. Then do a salt test. When H2O2 is added to the cs made with Godzilla, the salt test does nothing for a few seconds. Then a huge cloud of bubbles appears and the salt disappears. I have never seen this reaction before. I repeat the same test over and over until I am almost out of salt. The same thing happens. Then finally I get a strong dispersion. This has very significant implications in disinfecting clothes drenched in sweat. The body salt would normally combine with the cs and form silver chloride. This would destroy the effectiveness. But with the Godzilla cs, the H2O2 rips the salt apart and forms bubbles. This leaves the silver ions intact to kill bacteria and mold spores, and probably any viruses unlucky enough to be in the way. I have not been able to do laundry the past few days due the the power blackout. My only option is to drench the clothes in cs & H2O2 for several hours and put them in the sun to dry. After they are dry, I smell them. Before, they stank of sweat, bacteria, and mold spores. Now, they smell fresh, clean, and have no trace of any kind of odor. There is only one spore left that still gives a high-pitched screaming headache. This is the one I must kill. But this stuff works better than anything I have tried before. Best Regards, Mike Monett Here is the data on the dw and the tests in reverse order. "T" is the top electrode, "B" is the bottom electrode. -------------------------------------------------------------------- DW Date and UPC Codes Crystal Springs : Loeb UPC Code : 66967 00050 Echo Springs : WallMart UPC Code : 74865 00003 Life Brand : Shopper's Drug Mart (0.99 on sale, $1.49 reg) UPC Code : 57800 00353 Serial Numbers #01 Echo Springs : APR25030153 #02 Echo Springs : JUL10030824 #03 Echo Springs : JUL10030824 #04 Crystal Springs : PR0 03MA30 14:45 #05 Life : PRO3184PT13:27B #06 Life : PRO3169PT10:23B #07 Life : PRO3169PT10:17B #08 Life : PRO3161PT09:24B #09 Life : PRO31169PT10:17B #10 Life : PRO3161PT09:24B -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #11 T is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #10 Set the short circuit current to 0.7765 mA. Sat Aug 09, 2003, 11:11:49 pm 12.65V 0.776mA Sat Aug 09, 2003, 11:23:03 pm 11.10V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 06:17:36 am 1.61V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 09:49:07 am 1.47V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 01:20:42 pm 1.25V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 02:10:22 pm 1.235V I notice that walking into the room causes the voltage reading to become erratic and fluctuate wildly in the 4th digit. Then it settles down after sitting at the computer for a while and is stable in the 5th digit. I think the spiral electrodes move slightly as the floor shakes. I can see small changes in the reflections from the surface of the water. The movement disturbs the Nernst diffusion layer, which must be quite thin at these low currents for such a small vibration to have this effect. Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:01:08 pm 1.2102V <-- turned current off for 10 seconds Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:02:05 pm 1.05V <-- voltage is increasing rapidly Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:02:55 pm 1.15V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:03:37 pm 1.19V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:04:32 pm 1.20V Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:05:49 pm 1.2175V <-- note small overshoot Sun Aug 10, 2003, 03:35:44 pm 1.01V <-- small whiskers on cathode. Sun Aug 10, 2003, 06:37:41 pm 1.158V <-- just walked in. Seems to be rising Sun Aug 10, 2003, 06:58:42 pm 1.1762V <-- Now following original trend. The cathode is covered with a thin layer of gray fuzz. It sparkles in places where it reflects the light. I've never seen this before. The anode is clean. Looks like bare silver. Sun Aug 10, 2003, 07:27:52 pm 1.1956V Terminated run. Wed Aug 13, 2003, 02:28:44 pm Started showing a bit of color. Added some H2O2 and it cleared up right away. Poured in bottle #1. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #10 B is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #9 Set the short circuit current to 1.54 mA. 8 hrs to 24.85 ppm. Quit at 5:17 am. Fri Aug 08, 2003, 09:17:02 pm 25.06V 1.5432mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 09:22:53 pm XXX 1.5438mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 09:50:22 pm XXX 1.5440mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:16:06 pm XXX 1.5433mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:28:56 pm XXX 1.5434mA <- turned off window fan Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:52:15 pm XXX 1.5440mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:54:30 pm XXX 1.5442mA Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:57:12 pm XXX 1.5445mA <- getting too hot. Fan is on. Sat Aug 09, 2003, 07:52:02 am XXX 1.5447mA <- many small whiskers. Small whiskers on cathode fell off as soon as I moved the lid. The solution is crystal clear. Anode has hard black coat. Cathode is clean silver. Good salt test. Detail is obscured. I filled my jar. Will use it. Sun Aug 10, 2003, 01:18:31 pm Poured some cs into a glass on Friday and added vinegar. The solution showed a slight trace of pale blue which has since faded. Today I added some salt. There was no reaction. Apparently the silver ions converted to silver citrate which precipitated out of the solution. The ions are no longer available to form silver chloride. I added some H2O2 and nothing happened. Sun Aug 10, 2003, 02:09:57 pm Poured the remaining cs into bottle #6. It is still clear, as is the cs in my jar. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #9 T is cathode. 2 litres. dw is also #9 Set the short circuit current to 1.5441 mA. 8 hrs to 24.85 ppm. Quit at 6:49 pm. No thermal heater Fri Aug 08, 2003, 10:49:53 am 22.98V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 10:51:23 am 21.00V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 10:52:49 am 20.57V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 10:54:25 am 19.75V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 10:59:07 am 17.59V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 11:01:28 am 16.36V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 01:51:39 pm 2.86V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 02:22:01 pm 2.60V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 03:57:05 pm 2.16V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 04:31:56 pm 2.03V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 04:58:53 pm 1.96V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 05:31:19 pm 1.88V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 06:03:21 pm 1.82V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 06:32:05 pm 1.758V Fri Aug 08, 2003, 06:48:52 pm 1.719V Terminated run. I = 1.5448 mA Cs is crystal clear. Electrodes have a trace of deposit. The anode is slightly dark, the cathode is clear bare silver. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #8 B is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #8 Set the short circuit current to 1.5mA. 8 hrs to 24ppm. Quit at 11:41 No thermal heater Sun Aug 03, 2003, 03:41:53 pm XXX 1.288mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 04:51:05 pm 5.37V 1.454mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 05:56:24 pm 3.65V 1.468mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 07:02:03 pm 2.85V 1.467mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 07:27:02 pm 2.67V 1.478mA The anode shows a bit of dark color. The cathode is clean. Sun Aug 03, 2003, 09:55:36 pm 1.98V 1.437mA Cathode is clean and white. Anode is lighter than before. Sun Aug 03, 2003, 11:01:04 pm 1.88V 1.44mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 11:40:05 pm 1.86V 1.47mA Terminated run. Very good brew. Cathode (Bottom) is perfectly clean. Anode (Top) leaves a bit of black after wiping. Not bad at all. I will let it sit until tomorrow and see if it starts turning yellow. Mon Aug 04, 2003, 09:38:05 am Still clear. No sign of color. Mon Aug 04, 2003, 04:27:55 pm No change in color. I poured some into an 8 oz glass and added H2O2. It did not turn yellow like previous batches did. I added H2O2 to the Pyrex and it remained stable. It did not turn yellow. The salt test remained the same as yesterday. Very good cs. I poured 1 inch into another glass and added H2O2. I waited a while and added salt. The dispersion is very similar to the previous one. It is a bit hard to tell accurately since they are different glasses. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #7 T is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #9 Set the short circuit current to 1.5mA. 8 hrs to 24ppm. Quit at 1:30 No thermal heater Sun Aug 03, 2003, 07:27:58 am XXX 1.31mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 09:36:26 am 3.39V 1.48mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 10:19:31 am 2.57V 1.48mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 11:37:49 am 2.30V 1.46mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 12:43:05 pm 2.03V 1.48mA Sun Aug 03, 2003, 01:27:21 pm 1.93V 1.475mA Terminated run. Will let it stand for a while. Cs is clear. No deposit on cathode, a bit on the anode. Sun Aug 03, 2003, 03:24:06 pm Salt test is good. Strong white clouds formed. Some detail is obscured behind the glass. Adding H2O2 to the Pyrex produced a much weaker response than before. This turned slight yellow then pale milky white. It took much less H2O2 to make the solution clear again. There are only a few bubbles on bottom of the glass. The previous runs produced dense clouds of bubbles on every surface. This cs gives the same salt test as running at 3.33 mA, but it takes a lot less H2O2 to clear the solution. Poured the cs in bottle #8 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #6 T is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #7, #8 No thermal heater 4 hrs is 25 ppm calculated. Stop at 02:32am Sat Aug 02, 2003, 10:32:43 pm XXX 2.57mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 11:26:43 pm 7.15V 3.297mA Both electrodes are starting to get lighter. I'll reverse the polarity. It made too much fuzz with the anode on bottom. OK. Anode is top like previous run. I'll stop here and take a nap. Sun Aug 03, 2003, 03:42:34 am 4.8V 3.25mA Current is increasing as ions make diffusion layer Sun Aug 03, 2003, 05:32:10 am 3.54V 3.38mA Terminated run. A bit of black on cathode and trace of gray on anode. This is reversed - maybe some from previous runs. Good salt test. Objects slightly obscured. Added H2O2. Turned yellow but not as strong as usual. Added more, turned clear. A bit of debris floating on top, very few bubbles. Very tiny stream of bubbles floating up from bottom. Poured 1 inch in a glass. Added some cabbage juice. The solution remained purple. Added some juice to the salt test solution. It also remained purple. Poured the cs into bottle #7. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #5 B is cathode, same as run #4. 2 litres. dw is #7 No thermal heater 4 hrs is 25 ppm calculated. Stop at 10:01pm Sat Aug 02, 2003, 06:01:00 pm XXX 2.52mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 06:38:01 pm 11.40V 3.17mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 08:41:16 pm 4.58V 3.3mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 09:26:39 pm 4.17V 3.33mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 10:01:09 pm 3.66V 3.23mA Terminated run. There is hardly anything on the electrodes! The solution is crystal clear. No fuzzies floating around. There was a bit of fuzz on the cathode riser. Immediate response in the salt test. Clouds started out pale blue and filled the glass. Now turning white. After stirring, gives pale white dispersion. Objects are clearly visible behind the glass. I'll add a bit of H2O2 to the Pyrex. Betcha it turns yellow. Yep. Then milky same as before. Added more H2O2 to clear it up. Now clear, lots of bubbles. Another salt test. Lots of bubbles as before. The dispersion is much weaker than before. Similar to previous run #4. I just checked the cs left in the sprayer bottle. Much stronger response. I'll pour this into a jar and let it sit overnight. Another salt test - many bubbles, weak dispersion. What is causing the bubbles? Is the Cl forming a gas and going out of solution? Is the Na combining with OH to make NaOH? I keep adding salt. A huge cloud of bubbles each time. The dispersion is getting a lot stronger. It takes mucho salt, but it's finally working. So this stuff is actually very good. Obscures objects behind the glass. Detail is lost. The bubbles could be hydrogen, oxygen or chlorine. Smell it next time. I wonder what it would do to mold spores? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #4 B is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #6 Using the 2.5 W thermal heater Stop at 5:44pm Sat Aug 02, 2003, 01:44:23 pm 40V 2.5mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 04:33:17 pm 4.39V 3.19mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 04:36:19 pm 4.44V 3.33mA <- shook bubbles off anode Sat Aug 02, 2003, 05:34:25 pm 3.76V 3.32mA Sat Aug 02, 2003, 05:43:47 pm 3.63V 3.30mA Terminated run. Anode has a bit of black, cathode has some gray. Poured cs into jar #2. Added a bit of H2O2. Turned yellow, then white. Added some more, the yellow disappeared and the bottom turned clear. Stirred and the whole thing turned milky white. Added a bit more h2O2. Everything is turning clear. The jar is almost full - the cs is right at the level where the vertical opening meets the sloping side. A few small bubbles are rising from the bottom. Poured into Pyrex #2. Lots of bubbles on the glass. Tried stirring - they just come back again. Tried the salt test. Lots of bubbles when the salt was added. Very weak dispersion - pale blue, objects behind glass are clear and distinct. Looks like about 10 ppm. Adding H2O2 didn't help. Poured into bottle #5. Sun Aug 03, 2003, 09:28:32 pm Using the cs to disinfect clothing. The salt test shows no bubbles, excellent dispersion. Objects are obscured, no detail is visible. Mon Aug 04, 2003, 06:00:42 pm After treating the clothes, I poured the remainder of cs + H2O2 into a glass and added a bit of bleach. I got huge bubbles then the solution turned milky blue, similar to a salt test. Small bubbles are rising. I'll wait until it finishes and add salt to see what happens. Maybe I need to use acetic acid in the wash to neutralize the chlorine in the bleach. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #3 B is cathode. 2 litres. dw is #6 Using the 2.5 W thermal heater HP3456A is bad on 100V range. We can measure the current and calculate the voltage above 10V, then record the voltage when reaches the 10V range. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 01:09:00 pm XXX 2.48mA Fri Aug 01, 2003, 03:27:55 pm 3.70V 3.171mA Fri Aug 01, 2003, 04:13:58 pm 3.55V 3.326mA Fri Aug 01, 2003, 04:49:48 pm 3.42V 3.310mA So far nothing seems to be happening. No fuzz on cathode spiral. Maybe a trace on the riser. Anode is a bit dark, but that also may be from a previous run. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 05:09:11 pm 3.36V 3.311mA OK, that's 4 hrs. Terminated run and will let it sit then do a salt test. The cs is crystal clear. The anode has a bit of black but not too bad for the large area. The cathode has a bit of gray, but also not a huge amount. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 09:18:18 pm OK, it has been sitting for a while. The solution is still crystal clear. I pour 1 inch into glass #1 and #2, and add some H2O2 to glass #2 and let it sit. I poured the rest of the cs into jar #2, and it immediately turned yellow, then white. Apparently I left some of the last run in the jar and forget to clean it. There couldn't have been much, just a few drops. But that's all it took. I added more H2O2 to the jar to see if I can clear it up. It's not ruined, - I was going add H2O2 anyway. It just happened a bit sooner than I planned. But it's funny the H2O2 in glass #2 didn't do the same thing. It is still clear. This will teach me to be more careful about cleaning things immediately after using them. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 09:28:24 pm OK, Glass #1 and #2 have been sitting. Both are still clear. I add three shakes of salt to both. Both show an immediate response. The dispersion is dense and white. Objects behind the glass are obscured. No detail is visible at all. Note - I moved the glass out of the overhead lamp to make this test so no light was shining down from above. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 09:45:33 pm The glasses are not identical. I moved the dispersions between different glasses and none of the glasses are the same. As far as I can tell, the dispersions are the same. I will buy better glasses tomorrow. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 11:01:22 pm The cs is still cloudy. I added more H2O2 and stirred. It is now clear. A few bubbles are rising. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started Godzilla Run #2 T is cathode. 2 litres. Finished dw #5, started #6 Thu Jul 31, 2003, 05:11:01 pm XXX 2.50mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 05:44:45 pm 10.27V 3.177mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 06:26:32 pm 5.33V 3.317mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 08:08:28 pm 3.62V 3.27mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 10:03:37 pm 3.01V 3.35mA Fri Aug 01, 2003, 01:18:45 am 2.60V 3.359mA Fri Aug 01, 2003, 01:36:51 am Terminated. Mucho fuzz. This is the most spectacular thing I've ever seen. The cathode just sits there making gray fuzz. I shook it off, and it just made more. After repeating this several times, I terminated the run. I poured the solution into a separate jar and added H2O2. The entire jar instantly turned yellow, then white as the H2O2 generated bubbles. It was like a miniature atomic explosion inside the jar. The bits of fuzz are gong through their up and down dance, and the jar is too full of bubbles to see anything. I'll let it sit overnight and take a look in the morning. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 12:16:29 pm Well, the cs is clear, but there is a lot of gray fuzz at the bottom of the jar. I added more H2O2 and several hours later it is still giving off a steady stream of bubbles. Adding more H2O2 doesn't speed things up so I will have to wait another day or so until it's all gone. Sat Aug 02, 2003, 06:35:22 pm There is still a bit of fuzz in the bottom. The salt test shows a strong dispersion. Objects behind the glass are heavily obscured. Poured into bottle #7. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Started First Godzilla Run B is cathode. 2 litres. This is not intended for drinking. It will be used in conjunction with H2O2 to stop mold growth in fabrics, so I am interested in making the highest ppm possible in a reasonable time, and don't mind adding H2O2 to convert any oxide to ions. Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:53:20 am 4.99V 326uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:53:33 am 5.08V 326uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:53:44 am 5.10V 326uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:54:40 am 5.15V 327uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:55:12 am 5.17V 327uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:56:04 am 5.20V 328uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:56:44 am 5.17V 328uA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 11:57:32 am 5.60V 328uA OK, we got the initial rise. Now increasing current HP3456A is crazy. Measures 65V. The vom measures 35V. current is 2.6mA. Ignore voltage, measure current. Thu Jul 31, 2003, 12:04:25 pm 60V 2.73mA I = 2.7e-3 ; current ml = 2000 ; volume of dw mnt = 0 ; minutes ppm = 22 ; target ppm sqin = 11.8 ; wetted area den = +0.000228 gal = +0.528401 oz = +67.636 hrs = +4.0490 Now try 3.3mA I = 3.3e-3 ; current ml = 2000 ; volume of dw mnt = 0 ; minutes ppm = 22 ; target ppm sqin = 11.8 ; wetted area hrs = +3.31 So check for fuzz between 3:30 and 4:00 pm Thu Jul 31, 2003, 12:32:33 pm 39V 3.07mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 12:47:52 pm 37V 3.13mA Cathode appears slightly tarnished. Top anode spiral has a black section about 1" long where the wire passes close to the cathode riser. Thu Jul 31, 2003, 12:55:41 pm 35V 3.15mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 01:34:13 pm 32V 3.28mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 03:11:50 pm 3.84V 3.27mA Anode is almost completely black. Cathode is completely white. Small amount of fuzz on cathode riser where it passes through the anode spiral. Thu Jul 31, 2003, 04:02:21 pm 3.37V 3.28mA Thu Jul 31, 2003, 04:56:34 pm 3.10V 3.333mA Terminated run. Fri Aug 01, 2003, 12:06:43 pm The next day, the cs started showing color. I added a bit of H2O2, and it immediately turned deep yellow. A faint white mist filled the entire jar. I had to add a lot more H2O2 to get it to start turning clear. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
