The Grandfather Clause protects the silver from the communists at the
FDA. Since the FDA protect Industry without much regard for the poisons
they sell to the public, they do the best they can to prevent anything
that is natural and cures many problems, but cannot be patented to make
a bunch of money for the mobsters - they try everything i8n the book to
discourage its use.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Razaitis [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: CS>Re: silver-


--- [email protected] wrote:


> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 
> 
> silver-digest Digest                          Volume 103 : Issue 688
> 
> Today's Topics:
>        CS>Ebay ban of CS
>        Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
>        Re: CS>looking for information on silica sources
>        Re: CS>Ebay ban of CS
>        Re: CS>Gold wire source
>        RE: CS>Magnetic Pulser Freaquency
>        Re: CS>Magnetic Pulser Freaquency
>        CS>Re CS; Silica
>        Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
>        Re: CS>Gold wire source
>        Re: CS>Helena 
>        RE: CS>RE: sick from cs
>        Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
>        Re: CS> Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
>        CS>Additives to CS production...
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:20:32 -0400
> From: "Frank Key" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: CS>Ebay ban of CS
> 
> List members may be interested in the response from
> Ebay on why they ban
> sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal
> silver to be a
> controlled substance the same as narcotics.
> 
> frank key
>
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----
> -----------
> 
> Hello Frank,
> 
> Thank you for writing eBay.
> 
> I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. 
> However, colloidal silver
> is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not
> to allow the sales
> of this production on our site.  Our policy
> regarding such items does
> not mention every item specifically, if this were
> the case then the page
> would be to large and most like crash most of the
> web browsers that try
> to view it.  Our policy states that we do not allow
> "Narcotics, steroids
> or other controlled substances".  Until further
> notice, this product is
> considered a controlled substance and not permitted
> on our site.
> 
> For more information on this policy, please view the
> following link:
> 
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-drug.html
> 
> I wish you the best with your future transactions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sabastian
> [email protected]
> eBay Community Watch
> ______________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:20:50 -0500
> From: Stuff <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> 
> Just what I was looking for.
> 
> Re: "scrubbing with the green thingy"
> 
> How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the
> green thingy
> to avoid contamination?  I would think there is
> something better
> like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something
> that one
> doesn't use more than once.
> 
> At 05:38 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >url:
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62980.html
> >Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> >From: Stuff
> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:57
> >
> >   > Does anyone know what the other 97% consists
> of?
> >
> >   Mostly water and stabilizers that depend on the 
> application. Here's
> >   some info:
> >
> >     4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they
> affect my application?
> >
> >     Most commercial  grades of H2O2 contain
> chelants  and sequestrants
> >     which minimize its decomposition under normal
> storage and handling
> >     conditions. In some applications (e.g., copper
> etching or cosmetic
> >     formulations) a  high degree of stabilization
> is  needed; whereas,
> >     in others  (e.g.,   drinking   water  
> treatment  or semiconductor
> >     manufacture)  product   purity   is   more  
> important.   For most
> >     environmental applications,  H2O2 
> stabilization  does  not affect
> >     product performance.
> >
> >     The types  of stabilizers used in H2O2 vary
> between  producers and
> >     product grades.   Colloidal   stannate   and 
> sodium pyrophosphate
> >     (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are the traditional
> mainstays, although
> >     organophosphonates  (e.g.,   Monsanto's  
> Dequest   products)  are
> >     increasingly common.  Other additives may
> include nitrate  (for pH
> >     adjustment and  corrosion inhibition) and
> phosphoric acid  (for pH
> >     adjustment). Certain  end-uses  - which 
> depend  on  the bleaching
> >     ability of  H2O2  in   alkali   -  utilize 
> colloidal  silicate to
> >     sequester metals and thereby minimize H2O2
> decomposition.
> >
> >     http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#4
> >
> >   Incidentally, Ken posted some good information
> earlier on using H2O2
> >   to clean electrodes:
> >
> >     It's not  neccesary  to clean off  the 
> darkness..only  remove the
> >     loose stuff.  The electrode just gets darkened
> again very  soon so
> >     scrubbing it off is pointless and you remove a
> lot of silver along
> >     with it that you could otherwise use.
> >
> >     Also, scrubbing with the green thingie smooths
> the surface  of the
> >     electrode [by removing silver]
> >
> >     A rough pitted electrode has more surface area
> and  lowers current
> >     density somewhat and provides a surface for
> any deposits  to stick
> >     to better so they don't wind up in the water.
> >
> >     It actually works better if it's not smooth.
> >
> >     One way  to remove the darkness without
> scrubbing is to  place the
> >     electrodes in  hydrogen peroxide but only for
> a few  minutes. H2O2
> >     cleans them pretty fast but if you leave them
> in it,  they'll turn
> >     black again.
> >
> >     Be sure  to rinse the H2O2 off with distilled 
> water  before using
> >     the electrodes  again.  Allowing them to  dry 
> completely probably
> >     does the trick too.
> >
> >     If you  get  some peroxide into your batch 
> while  making  CS, all
> >     sorts of weird things can happen.
> >
> >     If you  have a batch that's gone yellow, as
> little as  4  drops of
> >     peroxide per liter will clear it up in a few
> days. But  don't ever
> >     use that to start another batch.
> >
> >     Ode
> >
> >    
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60130.html
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Mike Monett
> >
> >
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> >
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:23:32 -0500
> From: Garnet <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>looking for information on silica
> sources
> 
> I have used Silicea 30C and 200C. I have not use the
> lower potencies but
> if I were to take Silicea daily I would use the
> lower potencies. It may
> be in the combo remedy Biochemic Cell Salts, I have
> taken those for
> short periods, mostly for the Mg effects, prescribed
> by a holistic
> doctor.
> 
> I just reread my post and it sounds like I was
> saying that I used
> fingernail condition and growth as an indicator of
> the H. silicea
> working. Actually my fingernail comment was in
> reference to food based
> silicon not the H. form. I have not used the H. form
> myself over an
> extended period of time. I have mostly used it for
> deep seated wounds in
> my horses, like a persistent sinus or fistula. I
> used 200c and resolved
> a long standing infected tract in one of my horses
> hooves. It was an
> amazing response as I had been treating this  for
> sometime before trying
> the Silicea.
> 
> I have also used it in a horse that has uveitis,
> during an attack (they
> are periodic). In this case I can not say what the
> effect was as I was
> giving other herbs and H. remedies. It was quite a
> severe condition. Got
> him through the episode and ended up having an
> experimental Cyclosporine
> implant put in his one good eye to control the
> Killer T Cell "over kill"
> process that happens in the eye. Uveitis is a
> generic conditioin with
> many causes, it means inflammation of the uvea, T
> Cells are mobilized
> and they actually do too much, causing degeneration
> in of the structures
> of the eye. It is a little understood condition that
> occurs in dogs and
> humans. Many go blind and never know they have it or
> that it can now be
> treated with this new implant, which is working for
> my horse very well.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 05:16, Nenah Sylver wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Garnet" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>looking for information on silica
> sources
> > 
> > 
> > > Horsetail and other mineral rich herbs are
> excellent sources and can be
> > > consumed as tea. Onions are also very rich in
> silica. Best if not cooked
> > > or only lightly. It is in the thin membrane
> between layers. Food based
> > > mineral sources are always better absorbed than
> supplements as most of
> > > these are metallic form and not in the matrix of
> the plant material
> > > which facilitates absorption. It is also present
> in fairly high amounts
> > > in oats so Oatstraw Tea would also be a good
> source.
> > >
> > > BTW Silica enhances absorption and utilization
> of Calcium and Magnesium.
> > > Studies in race horses show a reduction in
> injuries when Silica was
> > > supplemented. They used Zeolite, a metallic form
> in the studies. The
> > > research was done at U of WI. There was a short
> report in the Dec 02
> > > Equus magazine.
> > >
> > > You can also take Homeopathic Silicea to enhance
> your absorption and
> > > utilization of Silica. It makes my hair and
> fingernails grow faster and
> > > stronger and I use my fingernail condition as an
> indicator.
> > >
> > > Garnet
> > 
> > Garnet,
> > Thank you for this very important information.
> > 
> > When you say "homeopathic," what dosage are you
> talking about? Are you referring
> > to the cell salt dose (3 to 12X), or something
> higher?
> > 
> > Nenah
> > 
> > 
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:49:15 -0600
> From: "sol" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: CS>Ebay ban of CS
> 
> Geez, I didn't know CS was *regulated* by the FDA?
> Good thing I make my own........so now they are
> stopping sales of things they *regulate*
> proactively? 
> paula
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Frank Key 
>   To: [email protected] 
>   Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:20 AM
>   Subject: CS>Ebay ban of CS
>   Thank you for writing eBay.
> 
>   I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. 
> However, colloidal silver
>   is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us
> not to allow the sales
>   of this production on our site.  

> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:53:26 -0500
> From: Garnet <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>Gold wire source
> 
> What do you use Colloidal Gold for?
> 
> Garnet
> 
> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 20:45, [email protected]
> wrote:
> > Anyone know a good supplier of pure gold wire to
> make colloidal gold? 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > --
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> > 
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> > 
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:04:55 -0400
> From: "Richard Harris" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> CC: "Richard Harris" <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: CS>Magnetic Pulser Freaquency
> 
> My wife & I are using SOTA'S Zapper, new model ZHC5
> ($110 US) for a few
> weeks & intend to continue. This is a continuation
> of  & improvement on Bob
> Beck's Zapper & Protocol. They have been very
> customer friendly in sending
> info & answering questions. I have a pacemaker and
> info on magnetic pulser's
> that I have seen, state that this is not intended
> for pacemaker patients
> without their doctor present. If anyone has info on
> this I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Jonathan B. Britten
> [mailto:[email protected]]
>   Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:45 AM
>   To: [email protected]
>   Subject: Re: CS>Magnetic Pulser Freaquency
> 
> 
>   Persons interested in magnetic pulsers might wish
> to contact a person
> named Buryl Payne. He makes some devices including
> something called a "power
> pulser." His site is www.buryl.com
> 
>   I read his book. It is interesting. I will receive
> a power pulser from him
> soon.
> 
> 
>   JBB
> 
> 
> 
>   On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 12:17 Asia/Tokyo,
> Robb Allen wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi......I was wondering.....has anyone attempted
> to make a magnetic
> pulser that operates at rife frequency's?
>     It seems that it would be very effective and
> could overcome alot of the
> tissue penetration problems.....perhaps people are
> already doing
> this?........anyone know?.....Robb
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:18:49 -0700
> From: Grant <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>Magnetic Pulser Freaquency
> 
> I don't see how this would be possible.. The
> inductors and caps used in 
> magnetic pulser are so massive
> (relitavely speaking) That they simply would load
> down the cct. at rife 
> freqs..The caps would not be able to
> charge and discharge  no-where near fast enough.
> Neither would the 
> inductors be able to collapse
> the flux density fast enough..
>                                                     
>    Grant..
>                                 
> ************************************************
> 
> >     On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 12:17 Asia/Tokyo,
> Robb Allen wrote:
> >
> >         Hi......I was wondering.....has anyone
> attempted to make a
> >         magnetic pulser that operates at rife
> frequency's?
> >         It seems that it would be very effective
> and could overcome
> >         alot of the tissue penetration
> problems.....perhaps people are
> >         already doing this?........anyone
> know?.....Robb
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:29:39 -0700
> From: "Harold MacDonald" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: CS>Re CS; Silica
> 
> I use Silicea 6X a Silicea 6X P.U.S[Silicon Dioxide]
> in a base of lactose.
> This is a Homeopathic remedy,and I find it very
> good,especially when my
> lungs get choked up with phlegm.I use this along
> with CS in my Ultrasonic
> cool mist humidifier,if it gets serious.
> Best to all,
> Harold
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:37:38 -0400
> From: Mike Monett <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> 
> url:
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63011.html
> Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> From: Stuff
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:22:47
> 
>   > Just what I was looking for.
> 
>   > Re: "scrubbing with the green thingy"
> 
>   > How do  you clean the impurities and garbage off
> the  green thingy
>   > to avoid  contamination? I would think there  is
>  something better
>   > like, well,  I  can't think of anything  now. 
> Something  that one
>   > doesn't use more than once.
> 
>   Hi Stuff,
> 
>   I think Ken is referring to the green 3M "Scotch
> Brite"  scour pads.
>   These have two sides and four flat edges, so
> there's plenty  of room
>   to find fresh areas.
> 
>   As Ken  pointed out, you shouldn't clean the
> electrodes  very often.
>   This just  removes   valuable   silver   and  
> tends  to  smooth the
>   electrodes. This reduces the surface area and
> increases  the current
>   density slightly.  Read  his  post   carefully  if
>  you  don't quite
>   understand. He packs a lot of information in a
> small space:)
> 
>   For normal  cleaning, a simple wipe is all that is
> needed  to remove
>   the soft black oxide.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Mike Monett
> 
> 
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:51:25 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: CS>Gold wire source
> 
> > What do you use Colloidal Gold for?
> >
> > Garnet
> 
> 
> Enlightenment? Atomized into lungs. Lungs are the
> organ of higher thought.
> That's why pranayama and other breathing exercises.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garnet" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Gold wire source
> 
> 
> > What do you use Colloidal Gold for?
> >
> > Garnet
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 20:45, [email protected]
> wrote:
> > > Anyone know a good supplier of pure gold wire to
> make colloidal gold?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> discussion of colloidal silver.
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:36:27 -0500
> From: "Hank" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: CS>Helena 
> 
> Here is a very good place for .9999 #12 silver wire.
>
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co
m%2Fws%2F&query=.9999+silver
> Look for Pure Silver Wire 9999 (NOT 999) 1 Ounce 12
> ga This may take you to one of the sites.
> The seller is on one of the CS groups and a very
> nice guy.
> 
> Sincerely Yours,
> Hank
> http://www.babelmagazine.com/
> http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> At 10:03 AM 10/03/2003, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Aloha Helena,
>     Thanks for the info. I meant silver coil.  Does
> those websites you sent
>     me also sell silver coil?
>     Thanks, Debbie

> ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:32:17 -0500
> From: Stuff <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: CS>RE: sick from cs
> 
> Just to clarify things, Richard, this was my
> question:
> 
> "Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of?"
> 
> Thanks for the info.
> 
> At 08:53 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Nenah,
> >The other 97% is purified water--the 3% is
> Stabilized Hydrogen peroxide.
> >Unless you purchase the 35% food grade and dilute
> with distilled water, you
> >are using regular medicinal H2O2 which is fine and
> much easier and safer.
> >The food grade, 35%, is highly explosive; the
> cosmetic grade, 6%, is
> >explosive as is the medicinal grade, 3%. Handle
> each carefully, without
> >shaking and keep away from heat. I believe they
> store it in dark plastic
> >bottles, since flying glass bottles in explosion is
> so dangerous.
> >Best regards,
> >Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Phamacist
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Stuff [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:02 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> >
> >
> >At 05:56 PM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <[email protected]>
> > >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:41 PM
> > >Subject: Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> >
> >Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of?
> >
> > >I always clean my silver electrodes with 3% food
> grade hydrogen peroxide.
> >It
> > >works for me.
> > >
> > >Nenah
> > >
> > >
> > >--
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> > >
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:58:19 -0500
> From: Stuff <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> 
> Thanks and I've saved the post to which u referred
> below.
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:37 PM 10/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >url:
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63011.html
> >Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
> >From: Stuff
> >Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:22:47
> >
> >   > Just what I was looking for.
> >
> >   > Re: "scrubbing with the green thingy"
> >
> >   > How do  you clean the impurities and garbage
> off the  green thingy
> >   > to avoid  contamination? I would think there 
> is  something better
> >   > like, well,  I  can't think of anything  now. 
> Something  that one
> >   > doesn't use more than once.
> >
> >   Hi Stuff,
> >
> >   I think Ken is referring to the green 3M "Scotch
> Brite"  scour pads.
> >   These have two sides and four flat edges, so
> there's plenty  of room
> >   to find fresh areas.
> >
> >   As Ken  pointed out, you shouldn't clean the
> electrodes  very often.
> >   This just  removes   valuable   silver   and  
> tends  to  smooth the
> >   electrodes. This reduces the surface area and
> increases  the current
> >   density slightly.  Read  his  post   carefully 
> if  you  don't quite
> >   understand. He packs a lot of information in a
> small space:)
> >
> >   For normal  cleaning, a simple wipe is all that
> is needed  to remove
> >   the soft black oxide.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Mike Monett
> >
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 15 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat,  4 Oct 2003 15:34:53 -0500
> From: "" <[email protected]>
> To: "" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: CS> Trem, Question about uS/PPM
> conversion
> 
> Quoting Dan Nave <[email protected]>:
> 
> > "Neither scientist seized either species of weird
> leisure".
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > Re: CS> Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
> > 
> >     * From: CKing001 (view other messages by this
> author)
> >     * Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:49:26
> > 
> > Geez, Vince, don't encourage me...
> > 
> > Besides, that  "I before E except after C" rule is
> really WEIRD, isn't it?
> > 
> >         Chuck
> > 
> > Smile and the world smiles with you. Frown and you
> get credit for thinking.
> > 
> > 
> > Then add the exception of when 'ei' sounds as 'a'
> as in neighbor and 
> weigh.....but wEIrd doesn't fit any of them. :-)
> Bruce A> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 16 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:25:31 -5
> From: "M. G. Devour" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: CS>Additives to CS production...
> 
> To Nenah and others discussing this:
> 
> It kinda surprises me that it has come up. 
> 
> Back in the early days we were taught to use a
> "pinch" of salt (NaCl) 
> or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew
> vessels as a "starter" to 
> get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was
> also a suggested 
> alternative.
> 
> The result was a process that worked at high current
> and very rapidly,  
> producing large particles that often settled out
> after a few days or 
> weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a
> batch, and your 
> electrodes never had a chance to collect any
> "fluff." The recipes you 
> found online commonly stated that you would get
> about "1ppm per 
> minute." 
> 
> It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all
> the bubbling and 
> whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.
> 
> A lot of people used this method for a long time,
> and some still do. It 
> was the first process I learned, and I used it for a
> year or two. It 
> worked and was part and parcel of the popularization
> of Colloidal 
> Silver in the modern era.
> 
> Generally, people started moving towards using only
> distilled water 
> when they began examining the particle size issue. 
> 
> There was some concern that the larger particles
> presented an increased 
> risk of argyria, though that effect was never
> demonstrated. (Of course, 
> now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)
> 
> There was also concern that the use of  a "starter"
> produced other 
> compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at
> least in the early 
> stages of the process, that could be harmful in and
> of themselves. This 
> was never proved to be a real concern, given the low
> toxicity and 
> concentration of the likely by-products.  (Except in
> Stan's case, of 
> course! <sigh>)
> 
> Nonetheless, people started working to understand
> the process in pure 
> distilled water, leading to countless experiments in
> current limiting, 
> other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching,
> and so on.
> 
> All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH.
> Adding buffers to the 
> CS *after* production will still effect the ionic
> portion, likely  
> leading to some colorful displays along the way as
> your silver ions  
> precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver
> salts. 
> 
> Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to
> balance the pH 
> without compromising the silver component?
> 
> One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested
> in the utility of 
> these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of
> production 
> additives were never explored to my satisfaction.
> They *might* prove 
> beneficial to ease-of-production and
> reproduceability with minimal 
> impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?
> 
> For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please
> understand that for 
> now, at least, standard practice is to use only
> distilled water. 
> 
> That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys
> and girls! <grin>
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [[email protected]                        ]
> [Speaking only for myself...               ]
> 
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