Re: CS>Brewing up a new generator...

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:04:32 -0800

I'm not much on math but your sketch made a light bulb go off.

1] The "ion cloud" has a tendency to sink.
2] The "ion cloud" has a tendency to be attracted from one electrode to the other.
3] The main reason to stir.... when a low current density is used ....is to distribute that cloud so the process will progress evenly and so the ions don't bunch up and form large particles in a localized high concentration zone.
[With higher current densities, stirring has other beneficial effects.]

so

If one electrode were held high and the other low, one might be able to overcome the sinking tendency with the attraction tendency and achieve a sort of electrical stir effect.

I get a picture in my head of two horizontally positioned coins.
One [top] with a hole drilled in it and an insulated silver wire going through the hole and going down to another coin where it is welded to [with pure silver as in spot weld or resistance weld] or press fitted into another hole in [or otherwise attached to] the lower horizontal coin.

An easy way to attach the lower coin:

Drill a hole in the center the same diameter as the holding wire.
Insert the wire, secure the wire in a vice so it won't move and pean the protruding end with a hammer blow or punch.

Or
Substitute the lower coin with a wire spiral with the center of the spiral being the insulated wire that goes up through the upper coin.

The hole in the upper coin should be a tight fit to the insulation so it will be held steady.
Connecting the upper coin electrically could be done in the same way as the lower coin..with an offset hole and insulated silver wire swedged into it.

Ode


At 03:30 PM 11/11/2003 -5, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'd appreciate if those of you who feel qualified would check my math
>and offer your comments on what I'm proposing to build. Ole Bob? Trem?
>Ken? Anybody?
>
>I'm aiming for a design that will...
>
>1) Make a quart (liter) of CS overnight, unattended,
>
>2) Eliminate all mechanical or thermal stirring,
>
>3) Avoid build-up on the electrodes.
>
>I've attached a simple sketch of the electrode arrangement I'm thinking
>about.
>
>For the anode I'll drill a hole in the edge of a 1 oz .999 silver coin
>and hang it from a small hook bent in the end of a piece of 12 ga
>silver wire, then crimped.
>
>The wire will be insulated with spaghetti tubing and the immediate area
>of the hook painted with clear nail polish or the like to avoid non-
>uniformities in the electric field and to keep the wire from eroding.
>
>I'm thinking about 2 cathodes, one on each side of the coin, made from
>more 12 ga silver wire with all but the bottom 2 or 3 mm of their
>length also covered by insulation. The exposed portion of each cathode
>would be a bit more than the radius of the coin away from each side and
>alligned approximately with the center of the coin.
>
>Anode surface area:
>
>diameter: 39 mm
>face area: 2389 mm^2 (includes both sides)
>
>thickness: 2 mm
>edge area: 245 mm^2
>
>total area: 2634 mm^2
>
>Electrical parameters:
>
>max cell voltage: 9V
>max cell current: .75 ma (current limited)
>max current density: 0.284 ua/mm2 or 183 ua/sq.in.
>
>Faraday calculations predict approximately 3 ppm per hour into a liter
>of water.
>
>What will be the quality or character of the CS? What are the
>consequences of the low current density, the ratio of anode to cathode
>surface area, and the lack of stirring?
>
>Thoughts and suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike D.
>
>[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
>[[email protected] ]
>[Speaking only for myself... ]
>
>
>Attachment Converted: "e:\eudora 303\attach\generatorsketch.png"
>

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