Wayne said: > Are the minerals in Concentrace from organic or inorganic sources?<
They are from the forest run-off of dead plant and animal matter, brought in by the rivers, flowing into the Great Salt Lake. > I am trying this product now, and I find it difficult to take because it is so salty tasting - like drinking sea water. I have to take it in juice or it turns my stomach, and I am only taking 1/4 teaspoon at a time.. Am I the only one to have this problem with it? < Yes, it is best taken in juice or water. It is also nearly undetectable in salty things soups, stews, sauces, etc. If you mix it in a juice which also has nutritional yeast put in it, you cannot taste the Concentrace. 1/4 tsd is the recommemded dose, but you might start off taking a smaller amount, until your body gets used to it. It is very concentrated. > I wonder if any plant or human can use a mineral that is not in fact chelated? Based on your statement above, there exists "degrees of chelation". We all need to know more about that aspect of minerals for sure.< Chelate means, Claw. The mineral is hooked to the amino acid, so that, when the body assimilates the amino acid, the mineral follows. I previously said: This is because the minerals they are putting in the supplement are metallic minerals, not organic. You responded: > Then you must define organic as being handled and processed by a plant, not a human. All elements came from the same place, unless we subscribe to the theory that plants can change one mineral to another, or in fact produce an original element.< Yes, I define organic as being done by a plant. This process is not the same as chelation. Organic has nothing to do with the use of chemical fertilizers, etc. ALL apples are organic (except wax ones). The process of converting inorganic minerals (what I am calling metallic) happens this way: Tiny organisms in the soil eat the inorganic minerals in the soil and excrete those minerals in an altered form. Actually, these tiny organisms have even tinier organisms inside them that digest the minerals first, enabling their hosts to digest the altered minerals enough that the plants can assimilate and utilize them. By the time we ingest them from plants, they have been digested several times. There is evidence that the tinier organisms inside the tiny organisms have even teeny, tinier organisms that pre, pre-digest the minerals first! When humans ingest inorganic minerals, assimilation is, at best (in those with excellent digestion), about 15%. With those folks who have inadequate digestion (nearly everyone), assimilation can be as low as 1 - 3%. > The elements in plant nutrients, made by man, are in fact the very same elements that the plant has processed.< What elements are made by man? I previously said: Organic minerals such as those found in plants do not need to be chelated. You responded: > Do you mean, "chelated by man" ? Yes > I think the plants have already chelated the minerals.< No I previously said: Chelating minerals increases the assimilation of them, but not to the same level as is already present in plant-based minerals. Its just that getting minerals from the ground is much cheaper and easier (you can do it with a shovel) than extracting them from plants. When you see a supplement with chelated minerals, you know the minerals are not organic. You responded: > What you are saying, or the way I understand it, 100 mg of potassium, 100 mg of magnesium, etc, means absolutely nothing. Unless these minerals are chelated with something, in some fashion, by either a plant or a human, nothing can be absorbed and utilized. In addition, different degrees of chelation exists, different methods, and chelation by different chemicals determine if we get any nutrition at all?< Yes, 100 mg of potassium means nothing if it is inorganic, since you will be assimilating, at best, about 15 mg of it. No, chelating isnt actually what we are looking for. Chelation is an attempt by man to improve on a bad situation that inorganic minerals are a waste of time to ingest. The process by which plants convert minerals into something they can use is not chelation. Plants don't connect the minerals to something to fool the body into assimilating it. Plants just make the minerals assimilable, period. I previously said: The plants had taken the metallic iron from the ground and converted it to organic iron, meaning a form of iron useable by an organism. You responded: > I find this hard to believe that a lowly plant can use something I can't.< Its because of plants that we can utilize the minerals from the ground. Even the minerals we get from meat come from plants. You said: > A time factor is involved. The metallic iron spent some time in the soil. Various complex process are going on continuously in healthy soil. When you use the term "organic iron" above, don't you mean "chelated iron"?< No, organic doesnt mean chelation. You said: >Possibly, chemical action in the soil reacted with the inorganic iron to produce a from usable by the plant. I know this happens with specific forms of Nitrogen. You can dump all the NH4 around a plant that you wish, it will not use it until this is converted to NO3. The rate of this conversion depends on the overall health of the soil and biological activity. The same idea could be applied to plants as humans relative to the iron filings. We could eat them, or we could sprinkle them around the plants. Neither or us would benefit. The time factor and the chemical reactions in the soil would eventually get some iron into the plant. < You identified the dynamic: ..the overall health of the soil and biological activity.. The biological activity is the action of the soils organisms pre-digesting the minerals. One of the crisis today is that the heavy use of chemical insecticides, etc., is killing these invaluable soil organisms. Without them, the food will not grow nor be worth eating. Terry Chamberlin ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
