I've been hearing about BYU testing CS for years. I don't recall BYU being specific about a single "brand" of CS. I think they tested several 'brands' and concoctions..but not sure. If I were a scientist doing that [and not being paid to be prejudiced], "I" would. My recollection isn't always perfect, but the point is that the letters ASAP could be replaced by CS and the reports would be the same without implying that any given brand was different from any other brand without clearly indicating what the difference was. I might be interesting to find the original report and see if this one is a 'real' report and not a groundlessly exclusionary commercial.
I agree with the conclusions of the report. I'm not sure that the basis of the report as seen below wasn't modified. The link >http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html may provide a clue. It's interesting that CSPRO would be 'plugging' ASAP. The American Biotech "patent" is [by memory] for multiple electodes [more than 1 would be an infringement?] and mechanical stirring...recently revealed by another person on this list who remembers, back when you could look it up, that their system was in fact a few off the shelf CSPRO generators placed in a vat with a stirrer. It is a "design patent" where if one element is changed, so is the design...which is exactly what Am Bio did...and didn't even build from scratch. Way back when, Gateway [If I recall] bought a "patented" IBM PC and back engineered it, changed the way the processor worked a little and opened up the entire PC clone industry..and the early ones were even identical in appearance to IBM PCs. If I were IBM..with a thousand lawyers on retainer, I'd sue! It's very clear what the result was 'if' that happened. Odd little tidbit from CSPRO.... CERTIFICATIONS Inspected and Licensed by the TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH (Division of Food and Drug Safety, Lic. No.: 0056429 C). ..means the building passes safety and cleanliness standards TEXAS NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION COMMISSION (LOC: TNRCC FOD ID No.: F0978 and EPA ID No.: TXR000043075) ...probably means that whatever waste and byproducts produced passes muster for the disposal methods they use. ..neither of which has any relevence at all to the CS or the [interesting] generators they make. Ode At 02:54 PM 3/5/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Ode, > >What do you think of thsi testrappot, I know they are testing alot now in >Africa and the results as far as I am informed are stunning. > > >BACTERIA TESTING >Microbiology Department >Brigham Young University >775 WIDB >P.O. Box 25253 >Provo, Utah 84602-5253 >May 13, 1999 >American Silvers Antibacterial Product (ASAP Solution) Testing Results >Summary >The following results suggest that American Silvers ASAP solution is a >broad spectrum antimicrobial agentit is able to effectively stop the >growth of, and in fact kill, a variety of bacteria. >American Silvers ASAP Silver Supplement has been tested against the >following organisms. >Staphylococcus aureus (Pneumonia, eye infections, skin infections (boils, >impetigo, cellulitis, and post-operative wound infections), toxic shock >syndrome, meningitis, food poisoning, osteomyelitis, and many others) >inhibited @ 2.5 ppm and killed @ 5 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU >Report. >Shigella boydii (Bacillary dysenterycharacterized by severe cramping >abdominal pain and bloody diarrhea) inhibited @ 1.25 ppm and killed @ 2.5 >ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Salmonella arizona (Food poisoning, etc.) inhibited @ 2.5 ppm and killed @ >5 ppm. 1/28/99 BYU Report. >Salmonella typhimurium (Food poisoning and enteric fever) inhibited and >killed at a concentration of 2.5 ppm. 6/7/99 BYU Report. >E. coli (Food poisoning, urinary tract infections, travelers diarrhea, >diarrhea in infants, respiratory tract infections, and wound infections) >inhibited and killed @ 2.5 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Haemophilus influenzae (Otitis media (ear infection), pneumonia, >meningitis, throat and sinus infections (including epiglottitis in children >and sinusitis), and suppurative arthritis in children) inhibited and killed >@ 1.25 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Enterobacter aerogenes ( wound infections, urinary tract infections, >bacteremia, and meningitis) inhibited and killed at a concentration of 2.5 >ppm. 6/7/99 BYU Report. >Enterobacter cloacae ( causes ilnesses similar to the E. aerogenes) >inhibited and killed at a concentration of 5 ppm. 6/7/99 BYU Report. >Klebsiella pneumoniae (lower respiratory tract infections, nosocomial >infections (infections spread in hospitals), urinary tract and wound >infections, and bacteremia) inhibited and killed @ 2.5 ppm. 1/28/99 BYU >Report. >Klebsiella oxytoca (Similar to those infections caused by K. pneumoniae) >inhibited and killed at a concentration of 2.5 ppm. 6/7/99 >BYU Report. >Pseudomonas aeruginosa (severe burn and wound infections, keratitis, >pneumonia, meningitis, nosocomial infections, urinary tract infections, >etc.) inhibited @ 2.5 ppm and killed @ 5 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia, meningitis, sinusitis, otitis media >(ear infection) inhibited @ 2.5 ppm and killed @ 5 ppm. 4/21/99 BYU Report. >Streptococcus pyogenes (skin infections, upper respiratory infections (i.e. >strep throat) impetigo, hospital-acquired infections, scarlet fever, etc.) >inhibited and killed @ 1.25 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Streptococcus faecalis (Urinary tract infections, endocarditis, wound >infections, etc.) inhibited @ 2.5 ppm and killed @ 5 ppm. 1/22/99 BYU Report. >Streptococcus mutans (A major cause dental plaque and tooth decay etc.) >inhibited and killed @ 5 ppm. 2/3/99 BYU Report. >Streptococcus gordonii (Tooth decay, also implicated in infective >endocarditis-an infection of the heart valves) inhibited and killed @ 5 >ppm. BYU Report 2/12/99. > > > >David A. Revelli >Microbiologist >Brigham Young University > > > >Dr. Ron W. Leavitt, Ph.D. >Professor of Microbiology/Molecular Biology >Brigham Young University >http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html > >At 06:42 05-03-2004 -0500, you wrote: >> The good part is that they open up the market to general acceptance of >>silver. >> The past and some of the current batch of CS and generator sellers have >>not treated the consumer very fairly. >> I've seen battery packs going for $150 and the HFS prices on MSP is very >>high...for an inferior product. >> >> The bad part for sellers is, once CS hits the mainstream. China will have >>good mass produced generators out there for $20. >> If you can sell a million of anything, they can be made by robot and >>injection molding really cheaply...but just getting set up to do that would >>take all the money I'd make for years and years. >>Ode >> >> >> >> >>At 08:13 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >> >"ASAP is good, but it's not different than what you make." >> >.........well, doesn't that make us the fools?? Between them, Nutronix >> >and AGion (any others?) we are kinda left in their dust! >> > >> >I don't begrudge them a bit in whatever they are able to profit from it >> >all........ I'm sure their margins are far less than the damn drug >> >companies for products that will never compile the list of "hurts" as >> >seen in "Death by Medicine." >> > >> >.........more power to 'em and the others who will hopefully follow with >> >more 'new' ideas and inovative marketing. >> > >> >davido >> > >> > >> >On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:06:39 -0500 Ode Coyote <[email protected]> >> >writes: >> >> Ask them for the patent numbers. >> >> I've seen the patents and they are not special [very much like an >> >> SG6 with >> >> multiple electrodes but without the current controls]...nor is their >> >> product. >> >> ASAP is good, but it's not different than what you make. >> >> >> >> Ode >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> they have patents >> >> >for special processing CS as well. >> >> > >> >> >Emile >> >> > >> >> >>why do you invest in Clifton then? >> >> >> >> >> >>Garnet >> >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 05:53, Tornado wrote: >> >> >> > Hi Garnet, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > This a very old rumor, I am a Clifton investor. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >> >>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >> >> Silver. >> >> >> >> >> >>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: >> >> http://silverlist.org >> >> >> >> >> >>To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >> >>Silver List archive: >> >> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >>Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >> >>OT Archive: >> >> http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >> >> Silver. >> >> > >> >> >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: >> >> http://silverlist.org >> >> > >> >> >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >> >Silver List archive: >> >> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> > >> >> >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >> >OT Archive: >> >> http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> > >> >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >> >> Silver. >> >> >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> >> >> To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >> Silver List archive: >> >> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> > >> >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> > >> >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > >> >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> > >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> >> >>-- >>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >>To post, address your message to: [email protected] >>Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >>Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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