.........The glass-bowl idea below comes from a cute story [adapted
here]:
.........The other day i overheard my goldfish talking to each other and
the one said:
"......of course there is a god:
....who do you think changes the water??"
davido
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:20 -0700 "James Holmes" <[email protected]>
writes:
> It is like trying to explain "glass bowl" to a goldfish.
>
> JOH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>It can be done -- but only in conditioned spaces!
>
>
> It is more than that. We are for the most part restricted to
> information
> flow from our senses, and our senses are optimized for survival in
> the
> physical world, not for figuring out how the universe works.
>
> There are a few analogies that can help, a flightless bug on an
> apple sees
> his little world as 2 dimensional, where if it walks long enough in
> one
> direction it come back to where it started. The ability to take a
> short cut
> by going through the apple would not be apparent to the bug.
>
> Same thing applies to a fish, that has no concept of what is outside
> of his
> water, where the water comes from in the rivers, or where it goes
> when it
> evaporates.
>
> But I think the best analogy is in the movie "The Matrix". None of
> the
> people who are in a computer generated holographic universe are
> aware of, or
> can even conceive of the "machine" which is doing it all.
>
> Marshall
>
> Stuff wrote:
>
> > "The theory of objectivism states that what truly
> > goes on in the world is beyond our understanding
> > because it's all about how we perceive the world,
> > which isn't always accurate and is often way off
> > the mark." --Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982)
> >
> > I don't believe Rand said that but I still believe it's true.
> >
> > We just don't have the genes or whatever to be objective except on
>
> > rare occasions.
> >
> > That's the way I see it.
> >
> > Stuff
> >
> > At 12:05 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Yes, Cleve Backster proved this back in the late 60's. Thoughts
> can
> > >influence experiments significantly. Also what is believed by
> the
> > >majority of people to a large extent forms the reality of what is
> > >possible.
> > >
> > >I think the buckyball thing is very telling. (I am talking about
> the
> > >buckminister fullerines). They had never been seen, and a
> chemist
> > >published that they should be one of the most stable forms of
> carbon.
> > >But much searching turned up nothing. After many chemists and
> many
> > >experiments, they finally produced a little of it via a vapor
> > >deposition method in a vacuum at high tempartures. Well funny
> thing
> > >is that after publishing these results, then all the chemists
> > >suddenly believed that this rare form of carbon existed, it
> suddenly
> > >started showing up everywhere. Plain old soot contains lots of
> it,
> > >but before the chemists believed it existed, soot always tested
> > >negative for it.
> > >
> > >It is as if nature completely overlooked this molecule as
> possible,
> > >and once it realized it should be in the mix for soot, started
> making
> > >it. But it is even weirder than that, old soot, which initially
> > >contained none of it, started having it as well once the chemists
> all
> > >believed it should be there.
> > >
> > >Reality can really be weird sometimes.
> > >
> > >Marshall
> > >
> > >"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote:
> > >
> > > > List,
> > > >
> > > > Someone posted links to a group that promotes a method of
> emotional
> > > > therapy. Dr. Tiller of Stanford was a speaker at one of
> their
> > > > seminars, and he is well known for scientific research on the
>
> > > > influence of intention on physical reality.
> > > >
> > > > In making colloids and such, it seems to be true that the
> intention
> of
> > > > the researcher can, literally, have influence on the result.
> Tiller
> > > > claims that even things such as pH and temperature undergo
> > > > demonstrable, repeatable, changes based on the influence of
> > > > trained persons.
> > > >
> > > > Some will say this is nonsense, but Tiller argues that some
> > > > experiments "disproven" by independent experts are actually
> not
> > > > due to incompetence or fraud, but rather due to physical
> > > > influences of the places in which they were originally
> conducted.
> > > >
> > > > Tiller has a new book on this; check amazon.com.
> > > >
> > > > JBB
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, Mar 15, 2004, at 14:12 Asia/Tokyo, Christine
> Carleton
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Marv,
> > > > >
> > > > > Good line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like the young boy who saw frogs grow their legs back. When
> he
> > > > > had an accident and lost his leg, he knew no better (under
> five
> > > > > years old and had not gone to school) and he grew his leg
> back.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing we can't do is what we think we can't do.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rest is do able.
> > > > >
> > > > > Christine
> > > > >
> > > > >> From: "Marv Hacker" <[email protected]>
> > > > >> Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > > >> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:42:30 -0600
> > > > >> To: <[email protected]>
> > > > >> Subject: CS>Re: OT> It Couldn't Be Done
> > > > >> Resent-From: [email protected]
> > > > >> Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:50:14 -0800
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thank you!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I also like: "The one who accomplished it is the one who
> > > > >> failed to realize that he could not do it."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > >> :) Marv
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Jim"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> IT COULDN'T BE DONE
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
> > > > >> But he with a chuckle replied
> > > > >> That maybe it couldn't, but he would be one
> > > > >> Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So he buckled right in
> > > > >> with the trace of a grin
> > > > >> on his face. If he worried he hid it.
> > > > >> He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> > > > >> That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Somebody scoffed: Oh, you'll never do that;
> > > > >> At least no one ever has done it;
> > > > >> But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
> > > > >> And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
> > > > >> Without any doubting or quiddit,
> > > > >> He started to sing as he tackled the thing
> > > > >> That couldn't be done, and he did it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done, There
> are
> > > > >> thousands to point out to you, one by one, The dangers that
>
> > > > >> wait to assail you.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
> > > > >> Just take off your coat and go to it;
> > > > >> Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
> > > > >> That cannot be done, and you'll do it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Edgar Guest
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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