It's time to end this all, and vote..........I cast my vote for Garnet.
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On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote:
> Garnet wrote that I give messages that is  not usefull or dour messages
> of doom and gloom.    I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the
> issue. 

I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts 
on this and other lists. 

Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to 
be doing.


>  Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar
> web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance
> stating opinions ,not facts.

The facts are there, I drew the conclusion. You are free to disagree, but can 
you prove your identity? This would cut to the chase and end the identity issue.

> Instead of giving usefull information,
> Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not
> agree with..

Search the archives for my posts. I either attack people or I don't, there is 
no "seems" to about it. They are either useful or they are not. I do believe 
most here would perceive my posts as useful and not as attacking people. I will 
attack ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that, I am trained to call bull 
hockey when I perceive it. My mentors would be ashamed of their student if I 
did not.

>  Here is an axiom of logic that states; "The burden of proof
> is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it" 

So prove your statement about toxic effects of Gold. You can't because there 
are none demonstrated, documented or published.

>     The
> Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. "Gold is taken
> up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and
> inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes"  In simple terms this is
> immune suppression. It further states  that adverse reactions due to
> gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after
> therapy has been discontinued.                     Adverse reactions
> categories listed are:            cutaneous,dermatitis====
> stomatitis,===== pulmonary injury,=====  and renal problems      any
> competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold
> therapy.                                                    The PDR is
> not doom and Gloom, it is written by < PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other
> tMDs  As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in
> argyria, not colloidal silver.

Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of 
Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around 
the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are 
gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no 
mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different 
chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food 
product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no 
reports of toxicity that I can find.

Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that "the burden of proof 
is on the one stating a proposition".



Garnet

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