On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote:
> Garnet wrote that I give messages that is  not usefull or dour messages
> of doom and gloom.    I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the
> issue. 

I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your
posts on this and other lists. 

Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you
claim to be doing.


>  Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar
> web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance
> stating opinions ,not facts.

The facts are there, I drew the conclusion. You are free to disagree,
but can you prove your identity? This would cut to the chase and end the
identity issue.

> Instead of giving usefull information,
> Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not
> agree with..

Search the archives for my posts. I either attack people or I don't,
there is no "seems" to about it. They are either useful or they are not.
I do believe most here would perceive my posts as useful and not as
attacking people. I will attack ideas, and there is nothing wrong with
that, I am trained to call bull hockey when I perceive it. My mentors
would be ashamed of their student if I did not.

>  Here is an axiom of logic that states; "The burden of proof
> is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it" 

So prove your statement about toxic effects of Gold. You can't because
there are none demonstrated, documented or published.

>     The
> Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. "Gold is taken
> up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and
> inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes"  In simple terms this is
> immune suppression. It further states  that adverse reactions due to
> gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after
> therapy has been discontinued.                     Adverse reactions
> categories listed are:            cutaneous,dermatitis====
> stomatitis,===== pulmonary injury,=====  and renal problems      any
> competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold
> therapy.                                                    The PDR is
> not doom and Gloom, it is written by < PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other
> tMDs  As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in
> argyria, not colloidal silver.

Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological
Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this
country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has
shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental
gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold
compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than
elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the
world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of
toxicity that I can find.

Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that "the burden
of proof is on the one stating a proposition".



Garnet

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