CS>Re: FerroFluids
From: Matthew McCann
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:40:35
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75148.html

  Hello, Matthew.

  I'm posting  your  text in the same format that  it  appears  in the
  archives.   It   seems   there   is   something   wrong   with  your
  email/newsreader that introduces extra carriage returns.  This makes
  your post  very hard to read. Your previous posts are the  same, and
  Marshall recently had the same problem. Maybe try rebooting.

  > Hello, Mike,

  > Merriam-Webster's Dictionary
  > (1997-2004) defines
  > the
  > adjective oligodynamic in its primary
  > meaning to
  > be:
  > "active in very small quantities <
  > an
  > oligodynamic germicide>."

  > The Hutchinson Encyclopedia (2000)
  > defines it
  > as
  > "pertaining to effect of small
  > quantities; having
  > effect
  > in small quantities only."

  > Stokvius explained the meaning of
  > oligodynamism
  > in the Lancet, April 26,
  > 1894.

  In 1893, C. Von Nageli reported the first  systematic "investigation
  into the  lethal  effects   of  metals  [especially  silver] towards
  bacteria and   lower   life   forms....   To   primitive  life forms
  oligodynamic silver  is  as  toxic  as  the  most  powerful chemical
  disinfectants and  this, coupled with its  relative  harmlessness to
  [animal] life,  gives it great potential as  a  disinfectant.... The
  term 'oligodynamic '[silver refers to] solutions in which  the metal
  ion concentration is many orders of magnitude below that which would
  be lethal to higher life forms."(24)

  24) N.R. Thompson, Comprehensive Inorganic Chemistry, Vol. 5, ch.28,
  Elmsford, N.Y.: Pergamon Press, 1973.

  http://www.silverbulletenterprises.com/colloidal%20silver%20article.htm

  This definition is consistent with my previous post.

     http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75144.html

  > Sir Lawrence Bragg in his text The
  > Crystalline
  > State,
  > in the section on Inorganic compounds,
  > Structure
  > types
  > of compounds AX and AX2 mentions the
  > work
  > of
  > Goldschmidt published in the
  > Transactions Of
  > The
  > Faraday Society, 255, 1924 in
  > determining
  > the
  > crystal structures of many metal
  > oxides. Usually
  > they
  > are zincblende, rutile or fluor types.
  > But silver
  > metal is a
  > face-centered-cubic according to Bragg
  > (p.
  > 146.)
  > So powder-pattern x-ray diffraction
  > should
  > show
  > quite a difference between suspensions
  > of silver
  > oxides
  > and silver metal.

  Powder pattern x-ray diffraction is useless for cs.

    http://www.matter.org.uk/diffraction/x-ray/powder_method.htm

  As soon  as the cs evaporates, all the silver ions  capture hydroxyl
  ions and form a dark black or brown oxide as described previously. I
  posted this experiment well over a year ago, but don't have  the url
  handy at  the  moment. It would appear in the thread  "Where  do the
  electrons go" and earlier threads.

  Frank Key describes the same effect on his web site, but he gets the
  equations wrong.  In  any event, evaporated cs tells  you  little or
  nothing about the preceeding liquid. See

    "About TEM Images of Ionic Silver Solutions"

    http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html

  > Generating silver sol by electrolysis
  > alone may or
  > may not
  > be possible.

  It is not possible. You need electrons. They are not available.

  > But it would not violate
  > thelaws
  > of thermodynamics.

  It doesn't  matter - you need electrons to convert the ions  back to
  silver metal. Electrons do not flow in water.

  > After all, silver sols can be generated
  > by non-electrolytic processes such as
  > the colloid
  > mill
  > invented by Veimarn in 1906. Also,
  > Arthur
  > Thomas' text
  > Colloid Chemistry (1934) mentions that
  > a
  > suspension
  > of silver oxide can be reduced to a
  > silver
  > sol
  > by Kohlschutter's method, in which
  > hydrogen gas
  > is
  > bubbled through the silver oxide
  > suspension (p.
  > 115.)
  > Alternatively, silver oxide in aqueous
  > suspension
  > can
  > be converted to a silver sol by
  > Svedberg's
  > method,
  > illuminating it with ultraviolet light
  > (p.
  > 116.)

  UV would work, but none of these are related to the topic,  which is
  the identity  of  particles  generated  by  passing  current through
  distilled water using silver electrodes.

  As I have shown, the particles are oxides, not silver metal.

  > Best regards,

  > Matthew

  Your email/newsreader client is still skipping the "Re: "

Best Wishes,

Mike Monett


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