Re: CS>Argyria cure From: Tony Moody Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:12:58 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m76924.html
> Hi Mike, > If I had to use only good distilled water I wouldn't have any CS. > Exorbitantly expensive and a round trip of 350km and tastes/smells > like diesel. If I was selling CS and wanted shelflife then I would > go the route of making a double or triple distiller. You mentioned using dw in your first post. Strange it is so difficult to get. Are there any power plants nearby that use deionized water for their boilers? How about hospitals? Can you have it shipped to you? > Yes, I estimated 2 to 5ppm for 2 to 5 minutes. So we are in the > order of magnitude there. :-) If 2 to 5 ppm works and is not > harmful in any way then why go higher?? How do you know it works? Probably most of it combines with contaminants in the water and is not available to kill bugs. You seem to be strong and healthy, and have not yet experienced a life-threatening infection. So you are not yet aware of your own mortality. I used to be like you, but things change as we have different experiences and grow older. You begin to see what can go wrong instead of expecting everything will work fine. > And if I am drinking the water anyway, can adding some silver to > it make it worse? From my point of view adding some silver is > better than doing nothing. Do a google search on purifying water for hikers. There are some extremely dangerous bugs out there. The small amount of silver you are adding won't have any effect on them. You are deluding yourself. > I notice that you have no parameter for electrode spacing; nor for > agitation or flowrate past the electrodes. Both are very important > practical considerations in my view. As important as current > density, which also does not seem to appear in your calcs either. I was the one who alerted the list to the importance of current density in my ULVDC posts several years ago. I have included the full conversion factors at the end for your use. However, I did not feel it would be worth the time to convert your metric dimensions to inches. Electrode spacing is of no concern in your system since you use water with unknown conductivity. Current flow has no effect on the maximum available ppm. Your system is out of control. You have no idea what your initial current is, and it will change every time you dip your glass in a stream. You have no tests to confirm it is working, or if you are actually getting any useful silver ions from the brew. You should at least do a milk test to see the effect of your cs. > On 12 Jan 2005 at 16:57, Mike Monett wrote: >> Hi Tony, >> Silver electrolysis should only be done with pure distilled >> water. > Why? You don't know what contaminants are in the water that will combine with the silver ions and render them useless. Even distilled water needs constant monitoring to ensure your process is working. You have no controls on your process at all, and you don't know if it is working or not. >> For plain water, and assuming your constant current source goes >> into full limiting as soon as current is applied, a current of >> 1mA for 3 minutes in 250ml will liberate 1.609ppm of silver ions. >> (Calculations provided at the end.) > OK >> This is an insignificant amount of silver, and most of the ions >> will probably combine with various contaminants in the water. > What do you mean by insignificant? Works for me and others. Heh! > What are contaminants to you are what make delicious mountain > spring water for me. How do you know it works? Silver ions may have no effect on the common water-borne parasites, especially in the extremely low concentration you use. You do not know what animal may have urinated or defecated upstream, and what kind of parasites have infected it. Also, you do not know if a fish or other animal died and is decomposing upstream. And you have no idea if humans dumped toxic waste in the water to get rid of it. You have no knowledge of any unknown contaminants in the water. These can combine with the silver ions and render them useless. You have no tests to verify the effectiveness of the brew, and you don't know what you are drinking. My guess is a standard milk test with your 1.6ppm cs may actually go bad faster than plain milk:) Mike Monett -------------------------------------------------------------------- Complete List of Conversion Factors for Silver Electrolysis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coulombs = I * Seconds ; total number of Coulombs CoulombsGram = 107.868 / 96485 ; Coulombs per gram of silver ElectronsSec = I / 1.60217733e-19 ; electrons per second Grams = CoulombsGram * I * Seconds ; Faraday's equation IonsPerNano = IonsSqInSec / 6.45e14 ; ions per square nanometer/sec IonsSqInSec = ElectronsSec / SquareIn ; ions per sq. in. per sec Litres = 3.785 * Gallon ; convert gallons to litres Litres = Millilitres / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres Milligrams = Grams * 1000 ; convert grams to milligrams Millilitres = 29.57 * Ounces ; convert ounce to milliliters NumberIons = ElectronsSec * Seconds ; number of silver ions ppm = Milligrams / Litres ; 1 ppm is 1 milligram per litre ppmPerHr = ppm / Hours ; ppm per hour Seconds = Hours * 3600 + Minutes * 60 ; get seconds uASqIn = 1e6 * I / SquareIn ; current density in uA per sq in Typical Parameters for Godzilla CS Generator ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I = 775e-6 ; current in Amperes Millilitres = 2000 ; volume of dw Minutes = 0 ; minutes ppm = 22 ; target ppm SquareIn = 11.5 ; wetted area in square inches -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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