(Re-send: I *know* I put a Subject line on this message the first time! <grrr>)
I sent the following private message to John Rigby this morning... > >Hi John, > > > >Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. > >He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if > >he took things a bit less seriously. > > > >My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- > >for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships > >on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at > >your site... > > > >Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in > >on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) > >while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the > >above. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Mike D. John sees fit to violate generally accepted internet etiquette regarding private correspondence by posting this publicly. I will respond to his reply now... > Hi Mike, > Not a problem for me. > If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not > worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about > such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. Well, you may fault me for it, but I tend to mull things over pretty carefully before whipping out the big hammer, at least so long as all hell isn't breaking loose. It seems that people, except for you and Dan perhaps, have been weighing in on the matter in a responsible way that I find informative and helpful. > This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: > ----------------------------------------------------- > >1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver > >List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but > >I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. > ------------------------------------------------- > 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. Though most such complaints come to me privately, as indeed I prefer and expect, I always assume that if *one* person has a gripe, there are probably a dozen more who just won't bother to say anything. So I always ask: Is there a problem here? Is there something that the member making the complaint or the member being complained about can learn from this? Is some correction from me justified, on either or both sides? > 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is > not a place for me. No, I *don't* agree with most of what Dan said about you. I know from my own study of your materials that the bulk of his rant is wrong and based on misinterpretation of your motives and behavior. If you read my message to the list about Dan's "Open Letter" you should see this. That said, if you cannot entertain *any* possibility of a flaw in your own behavior, personality, or presentation that would cause another list member to become impatient or angry with you, sincerely and without a malicious agenda, then there really is *NO* place on the net for you except those which you run for yourself. You know that I have asked you on a number of occasions to treat the main list with more restraint and use the OT list more freely. Do you really think that you have? That Dan or others have *no* cause to disagree? It is to *that* extent that I said Dan is "not without some justification for his view." > 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need > for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may > recall.) Obviously you do, and no, I don't recall that particular warning. Of course, I would no more assume Dan Nave is part of some organized conspiracy to silence you, personally, than I would label your hard earned skepticism towards our dominant social institutions as "paranoia," as he does so blithely. The simplest explanation is that he sees folks like you and me and a few others on the list as crackpots because we extend our distrust of the powers that be beyond limits he finds credible. And he sees anyone raising such ideas regularly as a threat to the list's mission and our credibility as a learning resource for new people. Is this anything new to you, really? It would seem to me yet more proof, as if we needed it, that most people will never accept the idea of a grand, multi-generational evil conspiracy -- or such tales as a cure for cancer -- unless and until the evidence smacks them right between the eyes -- and most not even then. You know this! So, to keep the list useful and avoid scaring people away, I need the "crackpots" among us to limit our more "far out" diatribes to the OT list. That's all I have ever asked. > So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. > That's your choice, but I'm not asking you to go. I'd rather you and Dan stop stepping on each others' toes and learn to get along from now on, instead. > Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't > also run a free personal advisory service. :-) You've had some very good things to say, John. I've sometimes had to dig a bit for them, as you don't always make it particularly easy on your readers, but I can well discern the experience and hard work that forms the foundation for your worldview and opinions. > [munch] ... > Everything on Matrixide is free, including the Newslist - including > the triage section - and the information there is simply repository - > all gathered from impeccable sources on the Internet and specific to a > single question. "Why are they doing it to us?" This is exactly what I *thought* was the case. Dan's accusations of your "shilling" and "spamming" are misguided. > Membership in many lists such as Silver, are simply my personal return > contribution to the many good people who sincerely endeavour to do > their bit toward the public information sector, offsetting the massive > disinformation industry that exists in every area, but most savagely, > that of health. And that's why the Silver List exists. > Everything I post is done only after clearing with my Editorial people > especially as to what I can give away free *and* not get into legal > hot water. Well then, you're better off than I am! I don't have an editorial or legal department looking over my shoulder. > And yes, I do constantly remind people that the source of the > writer's money is the safest and most accurate check on their > veracity. It is. The only thing one might add is "their politics" ( > usually obvious). Yes, you have pointed that out. It only makes sense. > I do not allow any person to judge me. Either in absentia or in > camera. If you cannot stand the bright light of the public forum, then > I have no interest in your claim or contention. Every person who meets you *will* judge you, in his own mind at least. You've no obligation to accept what others think, nor to stand still for public abuse. There is more than one way to respond, however, and you might find constructive things to learn from any encounter. > I wish you well and trust that you have learned something useful from > this sad and unseemly event. Only that there is no end to the ways in which people will go out of their way to screw things up, jump to conclusions, and otherwise make trouble for themselves and others. You men are *both* taking this and yourselves too seriously, damnit! I thought I had a better working relationship with *you* than this episode demonstrates. Respond to me privately, please, as I've *temporarily* blocked both you and Dan from posting. You may visit the archives to see what is being said on the list. Well, you gents have kept me up 'til almost 4am dealing with this. I hope it was worth it... <grrr> Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner ------- End of forwarded message -------[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [[email protected] ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
