hi coyote
that was the most fascinating take on h2o2 i have ever read.
it seems bizarre that h2o2 is actually used with silver in these
processes.
wow, and here we are very aware of the unusual properties of these
molecules.
On Wednesday, April 6, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
H2O2 is not easy to make.
My gearhead side wants it to be cheap and easy as an alternative to
NOS..it isn't. [Dangit]
It's not just a matter of running ozone [from electrical activity such
as lightning] through water.
Do lightning storms "really" make hydrogen peroxide? ..Maybe a little
bit, and a lot of ozone.
See
http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml
I don't think this is 'very' true..maybe a 'little bit' true. [Ode]
http://www.falconblanco.com/health/supplements/hydrogen.htm
Hydrogen peroxide, the partner to ozone, is more properly called oxygen
water, since it is water with an extra oxygen molecule. Hydrogen
Peroxide is created in the atmosphere when ultraviolet light strikes
oxygen in the presence of moisture. Ozone (03) is free oxygen (02) plus
an extra atom of oxygen. When it comes into contact with water, this
extra atom of oxygen splits off very easily. Water (H20) combines with
the extra atom of oxygen and becomes hydrogen peroxide ( H2O2).
hydrogen peroxide equilibrium
... how come when you add ozone to water it doesent make hydrogen
peroxide?
http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/perox.htm
In 1818, Thénard discovered that it made another hydride, H2O2,
hydrogen peroxide, which was similar to water but had peculiar
properties. This article will look at these oxygen compounds, with an
emphasis on hydrogen peroxide..............
This was the source of the power for the fuel pumps of the V-2 rocket
missile of World War II, whose main fuel was alcohol and liquid oxygen.
The first catalyst was calcium permanganate, but later silver mesh
proved superior. The industrial process for making concentrated
hydrogen peroxide, now widely used, was developed in connection with
this use...........
..other stuff...
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question159.htm
Can you make a rocket engine using hydrogen peroxide and silver?
At a drag race, I once saw a rocket car that was supposedly powered by
spraying
hydrogen peroxide on a silver mesh.
Hydrogen peroxide and silver really do react that way. The hydrogen
peroxide has to be extremely concentrated for it to work -- around 90
percent, compared to drug store hydrogen peroxide that is sold at a
concentration of 3 percent. If you have a 90-percent concentration like
that, hydrogen peroxide makes a great rocket propellant!
Hydrogen peroxide's chemical formula is H2O2. When it comes into
contact with silver, the silver acts as a catalyst. The reaction frees
the extra oxygen atom to produce water, and also generates a lot of
heat. The heat turns the water into steam, which the engine can eject
at a very high speed through a rocket nozzle.
Used in this way, hydrogen peroxide is a monopropellant. Compared to a
normal rocket engine that burns two different chemicals (a fuel and an
oxidizer), a hydrogen-peroxide engine is very cool and relatively safe.
It is also very easy to throttle.
http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/3/0/64895803.html
"Whenever you make hydrogen peroxide with conventional methods, you use
a really complicated process with starting materials that are toxic and
the process cost is high," he explained. "Using a nanocatalyst, you can
just combine hydrogen and oxygen -- two very clean and simple molecules
to procure -- to produce hydrogen peroxide, and that's with 90 percent
selectivity in large-scale tests, much higher than any other catalysts
used to make hydrogen peroxide."
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At 09:18 PM 4/5/2005 -0400, you wrote:
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>I know that thunderstorms produce H2O2 in the rainwater. Does anyone
know
>how to make H2O2?
>It has to be electrical.
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