Re: CS> Marshall, Tell me again about 0.9 ppm for blood
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:35:14
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79705.html
> I don't favor one over the other. I think the best is a mix of the
> two. Particles don't react with the HCl in the stomach and can
> thus pass directly into the blood steam.
What is your definition of a "particle"? The only one I know in cs
is silver hydroxide:
Ag(+) + OH(-) --> AgOH
Frank Key's Dr. Maass claims silver hydroxide is soluble to 13.3 ppm
in his paper, "Solubility Products Involving Silver Compounds". The
pdf file is on Frank's web page
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/papers.html
but the site seems to be down at the moment so I can't give the
exact url. Anyway, his calculation is wrong. Silver hydroxide is
insoluble, as shown in my proof at
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79117.html
and
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78851.html
Any silver ions that may plate out on the cathode at very low
current density are captured by Van der Waals forces, so they are
not likely to go back into solution. Instead, they make a sludge.
I haven't seen any balanced equations or credible explanations to
show how other "particles" are produced.
> Ions become silver chloride in the stomach, and thus are metered
> into the blood stream at a slower rate, but can be inproved by
> mixing with an electrolyte solution before taking.
I find sublingual absorption to be most effective. However, a simple
test proves the silver ions combine with salt in the saliva to
produce AgCl. This is why I was so interested to see your silver
chloride solubility post.
> Ionic silver alone can cause Argyria, but when there are particles
> present they act as a prophylatic and prevent Argyria.
I don't think so. Do you have any balanced equations to show this?
Silver nitrate causes Argyria - where are the particles?
It is possible to make cs with very low silver hydroxide content.
Nobody has got Argyria from ionic cs, but plenty have from MSP and
other products. See Jason's articles on Argyria:
http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria-cases.html
http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html
> Ionic silver improves healing due to it's ability to make injured
> cells de-differentiate.
I agree completely. I have had some near-miraculous healing of
second degree burns by placing ordinary bandages over the open
wounds and keeping them soaked with 20uS cs.
A week or two later, the layers of skin are replaced with fresh skin
and you cannot tell where the damage occurred. There is no scar
whatsoever.
> I am simply interested in know exactly how all this works, and I
> really don't care if it is the ions or particles that do certain
> things, since any good EIS will have both.
I don't believe this is true. As mentioned above, it is possible to
make high ionic cs with very low silver hydroxide content.
The silver hydroxide particles give cs the yellow tint. It is
desirable from a cosmetic point of view to minimize it. This means
finding ways to minimize the production of silver hydroxide.
> I believe that in the body both ions and particles end up being
> particles in the end, so it does not really matter what you start
> with.
The pople who make MSP products claim you need extremely large
concentrations in the bloodstream - several thousand ppm for invive,
and perhaps 40,000 ppm for tetrasilver.
If particles have any biological effect, why do these products have
such high silver concentration?
I believe the only thing in cs that has any effect is the ions. The
silver hydroxide particles are insoluble, inert, and have no
biological activity. Steve Quinto's time/kill analysis of Mesosilver
shows that the ions kill quickly, but the chlorides and particles
are inert in comparison to the ions.
http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v
Silverlon bandages claim the body fluids convert elemental silver
into ions, but you have to wet the bandage with dw first.
The photos on their web site clearly show healing does take place.
But it would seem to be much more effective if plain bandages were
soaked in high ionic cs and placed on the wounds.
Mike Monett
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