Jim, even though "this person" may have made the comment as such, please try
and refrain from feeding into his "needs." It doesn't make matters better
for us list subscribers. Further more it doesn't make the situation any
better to retaliate. He is obviously not aware of the conditions stipulated
or simply doesn't care about the list rules.
We treat ourselves negatively enough, that we don't need reminders from
others. If he wants to be that way, let him. We can't all be a smart as him.
;) so perhaps we need others with more patience.
Regards,
Ernie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: CS>FW: Silver Testimonials
Hello listers,
I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without
comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment
at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered
some different data.
This is his response.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM
To: Jim Holmes
Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public
medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I
cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate.
Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is
partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like
gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the
human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for
silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little
difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in
solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high
school chemistry.)
Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver
should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to
neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are
mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined
metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was
locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this
complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that
this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up.
(And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report
you as a harassment spammer.)
Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological,
ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol
1986;243(4):260-4
"Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and
neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound
(Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]>
To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason E [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM
To: Jim Holmes
Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
Hi Jim:
I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues
that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic.
Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in
ANY sense.
Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not
carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as
another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic.
http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil
verChloride.pdf
THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic
effect of isolated silver.
As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my
body.
Take a look:
http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm
Kind Regards,
Jason
Jim Holmes wrote:
Jonathan Campbell [[email protected]],
Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. When I
mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this.
When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data,
although it is run by the United States Government. I have requested
information on the cost to access the database. In the meantime, can
any respond to the following.
What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response to my
question.
From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print
edition
metallic silver
rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56
mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55
rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55
silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly soluble in
saline, silver ions are emitted)
mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683
The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary:
either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate and
generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a carcinogen a
chemical substance must be able to specifically cause a double-break in
DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. Certain heavier metals and
their ions appear to be in this category.
-end-
Your comments will be appreciated,
Jim Holmes
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