I would like to know why the people on this list feel the need to add
H2O2 to EIS ???
**
*Because tests run by Brookes Bradley indicated an increase in
effectiveness of between 500 and 1000% and those who have tried it
have also reported a significant increase in effectiveness.*
** If you make the EIS correctly then the addition of H2O2 creats as
T.E. that should not be there !!!
*Why do you say that? It usually produces a week tyndall, normalizing
all batches regardless of if the tyndall was initially very week or
very strong. I have no idea why you say it should not be there, if
you have some level of particles which are very necessary, then there
will be tyndall.*
Switch to assymetrical electrodes as two othe people on this list
have, and you like their product.
*What is the asymetrical electrode?*
When I made their systems I asked them to not reveal it as i am not
in the business of making EIS systems. When my booklet comes out in a
couple of weeks it will detail the process, and why one should do
somethings. Diagrams, data plots, T.E.M.s the whole nine yards, even
and invitro comparison with the best.
*In vitro is amost meanless except for determining the effectiveness
as a disinfectant, in vivo has to be done to determine effectiveness
when taken internally.***
*Marshall*
"Ole Bob"
*/Dan Nave <[email protected]>/* wrote:
Did you add the H2O2 to the batches at the same rel! ative time
after the
CS had been made? In other words, did one batch cure longer than the
other before you added the H2O2? Someone has indicated that the
reaction of the CS to H2O2 is different depending on how fresh the
CS is
or how long the CS has cured.
On the new brew, perhaps try taking smaller batch quantities and
adding
H202 to these smaller quantities at different times relative to
when the
CS was made. EG, using the same brew:
Batch 1 has H2O2 added immediately after it has been made.
Batch 2 has H2O2 added 3 hours after it has been made.
Batch 3 has H2O2 added 6 hours after it has been made.
Batch 4 has H2O2 added 9 hours after it has been made.
Batch 4 has H2O2 added 12 hours after it has been made.
Batch 5 has H2O2 added 24 hours after it has been made.
and so on...
Dan
>
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>
> Subject: CS>EIS and H2O2
> From: Marshall Dudley
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:02 -0500
> To: [email protected]
>
> To: [email protected]
>
>
> OK, I am totally buffaloed now. I have made two 5 gallon batches
and
> added H2O2 to them. Everything is as close to identical between
them as I
> can get, but the reactions were totally different.
>
> Batches were produced as follows:
>
> Initial pH of water = 6.8
> electrode area = 48 square inches each .999 silver plates
> current = 38 mA
> voltage ran typically 15-16 volts during making it
> continuous stirring, and polarity reversal at one minute per
half cycle.
> Silver content estimate from conductivity measurements 20 ppm
> both were crystal clear, and measured 16.5 uS.
> both batches made at about 62 degrees F.
> tyndall was faint
> did not measure pH bef! ore adding H2O2
>
> Added .5 teaspoon H2O2 per gallon, IE 2.5 teaspoons of 3% to 5
gallons to
> give 17 ppm
> First batch tyndall stayed faint, maybe even became fainter -
> conductivity measured 16 uS essentially unchanged
> Second batch tyndall became strong, EIS has a slightly cloudy
look, but
> no color, conductivity 9.5 uS approximately halved.
> Both batches measure a pH of about 7.6 after adding H2O2. Adding
H2O2 to
> distilled water gives a pH of 6.8 unchanged from plain DW.
>
> Taking samples of the second batch I did the following:
>
> Heated it, cloudiness and tyndall stayed the same, indicating
that it was
> no silver chloride or silver oxide precipitant since the
solution limit
> goes up when you heat it.
> Diluted it by 50%, tyndall approximately halved, indicating once
again
> that the cloudiness is NOT a silver compound with limited
solubility
> Added a! nother 50 or so ppm of H2O2, no change. Added 500 or
more ppm of
> H2O2 and it cleared up. I have no idea what that means.
> Added ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), tyndall did not change,
proving that
> the cloudyness is from colloidal particles not from any molecular
> compounds of silver precipitated.
> Checked for color, none noted, meaning that the particle size is
either
> very small, so the absorption is in the uv range, or very big so
the
> absorption is in the infrared range. Strong tyndall implies large
> particles though. Will let sit for 24 hours and see if anything
> precipitates out, if we have large particles I expect to see it
clear
> upon sitting.
>
> I am making another batch now. Before adding the H2O2 to the entire
> batch, I plan on adding it to a few ounce a drop at a time and
try to
> figure out some more if the 3rd batch clouds up.
>
> Marshall
>
>
&g! t;
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