The examples you gave don't sound much different from what people get here who cannot afford good health care, and/or who have no insurance. U.S. health care may be better than that in a back of the beyond third world country, but I really don't think it is so great for a very large portion of the population.

I do know of an aquaintance left in hideous pain for 3 weeks in the U.K. (needed an appendectomy), I think in her case it was the diagnosis that was wrong, and it took that long to get a correct one. Anyway in that case the person could have easily afforded to go to a private pay doctor, but was too cheap, so I think her suffering was basically self-inflicted. In her case it was a choice.
sol

Pat wrote:

I know there is plenty of room for improvement in our medical system, but from 
what I've heard about some others, ours is far better.  A doctor I know became 
very ill while on vacation in Ireland.  He was on a stretcher in the hallway of 
the hospital all night.  He said their medical system seemed third world.  A 
woman I know needed carpal tunnel surgery while living in England.  She had to 
wait months and couldn't chose her doctor.  She had to sign some release before 
surgery (was tricked into it by the doctor); the surgery itself was botched and 
she needs another one.

I want the best of care for each person.   But....it's costing more and more.  
Do we have rights to the most advanced care even if we can't pay for it?  For 
example, if I can afford the best care which was available 30 years ago, maybe 
I should be satisfied with that (after all, before we knew all the new 
procedures, that was what we expected).  There is no way medicare can keep up.  
My father in law had a heart bypass surgery when he was 89.  Coronary care was 
almost empty and in need of paying patients.  The doctor likes to keep busy.  
Today's medical profession will not give up and will not let anyone go.  My 
aunt had pneumonia (think she was around 90) and begged to be allowed to go.  
They saved her with IV antibiotics so she could go back to the nursing home and 
lie in bed unable to see or hear and peeing in her shoes.  Oops, this email was 
supposed to be about how good our medical system is here.  Well, they know how 
to save us, now they need to learn how to let us g
o !
 when we're ready.



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