OK - I probably should have noted that I am speaking from a position of near-total 
ignorance when it comes to OS X.  Which is why I am afraid of trying to configure mail 
servers on OS X (yes, your system did sound terribly complicated!) and why I would 
have been ready to pay to stay with what I know.

But if others who know more about OS X than me (ie almost everybody) are not so 
intimidated by configuring a mail server then I'm happy to accept that my assumptions 
about there being a market for SIMS X are wrong.  And I also accept that maybe I 
shouldn't be so intimidated too!

Is there an alternative to the SIMS submitted folder available on OS X?

James Harvard

>On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 06:34 PM, James Harvard wrote:
>>My apologies if this topic has already been talked to death some time ago,
>> but would there not be good money for Stalker in releasing a low cost, 'feature 
>limited' MTA for Mac OS X?  (All the previous posts I have read have seemed to be 
>along the lines of "can Stalker re-write SIMS for OS X for free, please".)
>>
>>After all, who here would not happily pay a shareware-level fee for the current 
>version of SIMS that we know & love?
>
>erm... I suspect that the "market" for a OS X SIMS is vanishingly small.  Setting up 
>OS X out of the box to do what Sims does is really quite easily done and can even be 
>administered through various web agents.  (www.webmin.
>com for one).
>
>And would be considerably more powerful than SIMS.  For example, my OS X machine runs 
>fetchamil which grabs my mail from my Sims machine.  Then mail goes through postfix 
>(my MTA) whcih runs it through procmail.  Procmail filters the mail through 
>spamassassin and html.trap.  This tags any incoming spam and disables any virues or 
>potentially naughty attachments.  Finally it all gets dumped into the local mailspool 
>where my imapd server can serve it up to me to read in Mail.app or Eudora or 
>something.
>
>And while it all SOUNDS terribly complicated it was no more difficult to follow the 
>directions to do this than setting up a router in SIMS.
>
>SIMS is great because it runs os a zero-admin app on a zero-admin machine.
>  On the type of hardware that would likely be discarded otherwise.  (Certainly I 
>can't think of any other use for a 6200 than as printserver or SIMS box).
>
>Now, if Stalker came out with a shareware product based on SIMS I would probably 
>register it.  I wouldn't _USE_ it though, it'd just be my way of rewarding a company 
>that has made my live a whole hell of a lot easier the last several years.
>
>>There must be many dozens of people wishing that they could move to OS X with SIMS's 
>ease of use, features and familiarity - but unwilling to part with $100s for CGPro.  
>Then add to that all the new server admins that OS X will gather, many of whom will 
>be in the market for an easy to use alternative to sendmail.
>
>Really setting up sendmail is not that bad, and there are better options out there.  
>I use postfix and it took about 15 minutes to setup, and most of that was getting the 
>SpamAssassin filtering integrated.
>
>>How many hours would it take the talented coders (if in doubt, always try 
>flattery...) at Stalker to strip out the more advanced features of CGPro to leave 
>just the SIMS feature set?  Not many, I suspect, and it would be a good ROI when we 
>all start queuing up waving our $30.  Of course the nice people at Stalker aren't 
>going to become billionaires on the back of it, but I imagine it would pay for decent 
>Christmas party!
>
>I'm certain Stalker has thought about it.  The only reason I can think of for not 
>doing it is that they don't think the market is there.  Heck, a lot of SIMS installs 
>are on 68K machines...
>
>IANS  (I am not Stalker)
>
>--
>You are responsible for your rose.

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