On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:33:33PM +0100, Mike Tintner wrote: > This is a forum, as I understand, about the relationships between computers > (& robots) present & future & their relationship with society. The above
So far, the impact has been largely detrimental. An online PC has a debilitating potential way beyond a mere TV. Where do you think the current education malaise comes from? (TV and the internets). > remark exemplifies the narrow-mindedness that characterises a lot of You call it narrow-mindedness. I call it realism, derived from empiry. > discussions here. Computers like all machines evolve to meet human > requirements, (incl. needs, demands, desires, dreams & capacities). There's I wish the damn things would evolve to meet my requirements, and not some snot-nosed gamer punk's somewhere. > a symbiotic, interdependent relationship. > > If you want to have some idea of how computers will and can evolve, you I have a very good idea of how computers can evolve. Unfortunately, so far they seem to actively resist going there. I hope things will get better in the next two, three decades, after which I no longer care much. It will be somebody else's problem. > have to have some idea of how human society will and can evolve. And it's > currently changing at an extraordinary rate, faster than ever before. When you die, and decompose, you're changing at an extraordinary rate, much faster than ever before. Speed of change alone is not a good thing. Some other quality metrics need to be added to the consideration. > Computers change people in dramatic ways. Something as apparently simple as I used to think that after Dream Machines and Turkle/Papert, too! But then I grew up. I would put it more cautionary: IT has the potential (so far, largely unrealized) to do good things to our culture. Have you ever seen a piece of educational software done right, and it deployed widely? The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer is as far away as ever. > Google changes everyone's nervous system. Everyone starts searching and > millions of religious people become religious "seekers." Got great sarcasm there. Keep it coming. > A much more computer literate society and world will have a v. different Right now the average IT bear is considerably less computer literate than people who entered the field in 1970/80s. IT is a whole has all the appeal of plumbing, minus a good plumber's income. Every intelligent person is going into law and finance. And, unfortunately, we can't blame them. > relationship to AI - it's much more likely, for example, to be impatient > with, than worried about, AI's rate of progress. I don't see how that figures. > Speculations about future AI MINUS future society (which seems to be the > rule here) are pointless. You should add some more pompousness. Your ex cathedra doesn't sound quite right yet. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&user_secret=7d7fb4d8
