On 24/06/07, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do we upload?  Consider the copy paradox.  If there was an exact copy of
you,
atom for atom, and you had to choose between killing the copy or yourself,
I
think you would choose to kill the copy (and the copy would choose to kill

you).  Does it matter who dies?  Logically, no, but your instinct for self
preservation says yes.  You cannot resolve this paradox.  Your instinct
for
self preservation, what you call consciousness or self-awareness, is
immutable.  It was programmed by your DNA.  It exists because if a person
does
not have it, they don't live to pass on their genes.

Presumably some people will choose to upload, reasoning that they will die

anyway so there is nothing to lose.  This is not really a satisfactory
solution, because you still die.  But suppose we had both read and write
access to the brain, so that after copying your memory, your brain was
reprogrammed to remove your fear of death.  But even this is not
satisfactory.
Not because reprogramming is evil, but because of what you will be
uploaded
to.  Either it will be to an AGI in a competitive system, in which case
you
will be back where you started (and die again), or to a cooperative system
that does not fear death, and will likely fail.



I don't wish to retread old arguments, but there are a few theoretical outs.
One could be uploaded bit by bit, one neuron at a time if necessary. One
could be rendered unconscious, frozen, and scanned. I would find this
frightening, but preferable to regaining consciousness while a separate
instance of me was running. You beg the question when you ask if I would
'kill myself' if a perfect copy existed. If the copy were perfect, it would
kill itself as well. If the copy were not perfect, I think I'd be entitled
to declare myself a different entity.

There is also the issue of modifying our own biological brains. If I come to
hold a view about consciousness that is incompatible with the 'instinctive'
beliefs you mention, I foresee being able to bring my instincts into line
with my beliefs surgically.

And no, I don't believe you 'die' when you are uploaded. I know it feels
'wrong', but unless you accept some form of dualism, I believe you are
compelled to accept that you are identical with your 'state vector' (as some
sci-fi writer put it, Greg Egan I think). Any divergence of vectors that may
take place is a distinct issue of identity.

--
Nathan Cook

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