B2BUA means Back to Back User Agent.  Its scope is not intentionally defined
for the sole purpose of flexibily of implemetation.  I'll give you a perfect
example of a UAC-UAC in real life.

One of our product is an SMS CallBack gateway.  This works by receing two
numbers via SMS and have two UAC call remote SIP IP-PSTN Gateways and
connect the media of the two remote gateways in an endpoint to endpoint
manner.

Another sample is what we call psuedo conference.  Its a 1800 number that
two persons can call and is terminated to a B2BUA that connects the media
from that 1800 number.  The reason for this is limiting a conference to two
legs does not require media to be mixed and thus wouldnt need any special
DSP devices to do RTP mixing/transcoding.  This is UAS to UAS.

Do you have a another terms on what to call these products aside from a
B2BUA which implements UAC to UAC and UAS to UAS?

Call it any other name you want. It would still fall under the RFC's
definition of a B2BUA.

Joegen



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> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> Precisely what I meant!!
> It can be a UAC-UAC ( = UAC) or a UAS-UAS ( = UAS)
> But if you call it a B2BUA it's a UAC-UAS(period)
>
> Best regards,
>
> =======================================
>  Sindhur N. Satrasala
>  Infomedia Network Inc. Houston TX 77058
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Boulton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:20 AM
> To: Sindhur Satrasala; Ganesh Jayadevan
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Sip-implementors] request for clarification of
> definition(b2bua)
>
> << see in-line>>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sindhur Satrasala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 26 September 2003 20:03
> >To: 'Ganesh Jayadevan'
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [Sip-implementors] request for clarification of
> >definition(b2bua)
> >
> >Ganesh:
> >
> >>From the RFC,
> >
> >"A back-to-back user agent (B2BUA) is a logical entity that receives a
> >request and processes it as a user agent server (UAS).  In order to
> >determine how the request should be answered, it acts as a user agent
> >client (UAC) and generates requests.  Unlike a proxy server, it
> >maintains dialog
> > state and must participate in all requests sent on the dialogs it has
> >established.  Since it is a concatenation of a UAC and UAS, no explicit
> >definitions are needed for its behavior."
>
>
> [Chris Boulton] 'Since it is a concatenation of a UAC and UAS, no
> explicit
> >definitions are needed for its behavior.'  This is as far as the
> definition goes - no rights or wrongs.  It is simply a concatenation of
> the two elements.  If it wants to act as a UAC-UAC, then it can, just as
> a standalone UAC would be able to initiate calls.  That is all it is,
> two UA's glued together, with an association of state between them.
>
> >
> >Clearly it cannot a UAC-UAC concatenation; it is a server on one side
> >and a client on the other side. As long as it processes requests it has
> >a UAS functionality.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >=======================================
> > Sindhur N. Satrasala
> > Infomedia Network Inc. Houston TX 77058
> > Web: http://www.infomedia-network.com
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Ph-(281)218-0700: ex-15  Fax-(281)218-0749
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> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ganesh Jayadevan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:14 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Sip-implementors] request for clarification of definition
> >(b2bua)
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >The term b2bua has a rather narrow definition in Section 6 of  rfc3261.
> >It refers to a UAS concatenated with a UAC for incoming requests into
> >the UAS.  Would  it be incorrect to use the term b2bua to refer to a
> >UAC-UAC concatenation?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ganesh
> >
> >
> >
> >
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