Hi Paul,

Do you suggest that I should send some sort of hidden
INVITE at the beginning of the message session to
establish a dialog?

Thanks,

Wendy

--- Paul Kyzivat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Upaya,
> 
> This is one of the reasons we are working on
> session-mode IM. Use of the 
> MESSAGE message is page-mode IM. In page mode, there
> is no session, so 
> in general the proxy will be involved in routing
> each message. And if 
> the target has multiple UASs then each message may
> be forked. Responses 
> are a bit of an issue as well - in general the best
> you can do is 
> address a response to the From address in the
> request.
> 
> Technically you can send MESSAGE messages within a
> dialog and so 
> guarantee a consistent pair of endpoints are
> interacting, and generally 
> cut the proxy out as well. (I believe this is what
> MS does.) But that is 
> not recommended behavior. And because MESSAGE is not
> dialog establishing 
> you need to do something else to establish the
> dialog, such as send a 
> media-less invite.
> 
> While not yet complete, the direction we are
> pursuing for session 
> oriented IM is to send an invite with an offer for a
> message-session 
> media stream. And then send the IMs via that stream
> rather than via 
> MESSAGE messages. The protocol for this is still in
> progress, with the 
> working name of MSRP. (Message Session Relay
> Protocol.)
> 
>       Paul
> 
> Upaya wrote:
> > Thank you and Smith for the reply on my previous
> > message.
> > 
> > I have a question regarding an IM conversation.
> > Similar to MSN Messenger and Yahoo Messenger,
> users
> > can exchange messages in one session/window.
> > 
> > For example: A Short Conversation
> > 
> > 
> >>John wrote: Hi Mary!
> >>Mary wrote: Hello John
> >>John wrote: How are you?
> > 
> > 
> > Based on RFC3428, John sends the first message to
> the
> > proxy server, then the proxy server forwards the
> > message to Mary.
> > 
> > What about the second and the third message?  Does
> it
> > still need the proxy server to perform lookup and
> > forward?  Also, all three messages above should be
> in
> > the same session, right?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Wendy
> > 
> > 
> > 
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