Hi Dale
I am a bit confused on the last statement which says 
"If the
> initial from-tag was omitted, an in-dialog request
> going in the reverse
> direction would have a from-tag but not a to-tag.)"

As far as I know, the from-tag in initial request can
be missed only by a 2543 compliant UA since it is
mandatory for a 3261 compliant UA.

So by this do u mean to say that if a 3261 compliant
UA receives a request having no From-tag, it will
generate a response to that request having a To-tag
but no From-tag & subsequent requests from 3261 UA
will contain a From-tag ( same as To-tag generated in
first response) but no To-tag ?

Regards
Gaurav


--- "Dale R. Worley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 10:34 -0500, Dennis Dupont
> wrote:
> > Can you please elaborate on why this is forbidden
> (RFC reference?).  I
> > was under the impression that as part of the
> dialog-defining set of
> > headers that this was perfectly legal.  Otherwise,
> if the Call-Id
> > defines uniqueness, what is the point in 3261
> defining a dialog at all?
> 
> 8.1.1 Generating the Request
> 
> 8.1.1.3 From
> 
>    The From field MUST contain a new "tag"
> parameter, chosen by the UAC.
>    See Section 19.3 for details on choosing a tag.
> 
> 8.1.1.4 Call-ID
> 
>    The Call-ID header field acts as a unique
> identifier to group
>    together a series of messages.  It MUST be the
> same for all requests
>    and responses sent by either UA in a dialog. 
> [...]
> 
>    In a new request created by a UAC outside of any
> dialog, the Call-ID
>    header field MUST be selected by the UAC as a
> globally unique
>    identifier over space and time unless overridden
> by method-specific
>    behavior.  All SIP UAs must have a means to
> guarantee that the Call-
>    ID header fields they produce will not be
> inadvertently generated by
>    any other UA.  
> 
> 19.3 Tags
> 
>    When a tag is generated by a UA for insertion
> into a request or
>    response, it MUST be globally unique and
> cryptographically random
>    with at least 32 bits of randomness.  A property
> of this selection
>    requirement is that a UA will place a different
> tag into the From
>    header of an INVITE than it would place into the
> To header of the
>    response to the same INVITE.  This is needed in
> order for a UA to
>    invite itself to a session, a common case for
> "hairpinning" of calls
>    in PSTN gateways.  Similarly, two INVITEs for
> different calls will
>    have different From tags, and two responses for
> different calls will
>    have different To tags.
> 
> Every dialog-starting request must have a unique
> Call-ID.  It also has
> to have a unique from-tag.  Every successful
> response to the request has
> to have a unique to-tag.  Since there can be
> multiple early dialogs
> generated by one request, the to-tag has to be part
> of the dialog
> identification.  In theory the from-tag could be
> omitted, since it is
> determined by the Call-ID, but for symmetry's sake
> it is not.  (If the
> initial from-tag was omitted, an in-dialog request
> going in the reverse
> direction would have a from-tag but not a to-tag.)
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
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