Hi ,
   Thanks all for your reply... So I just need the clarifications. 

1) Can CRBT be played without Reliable provisional Response? If yes then 
whether the SDP is required in that unreliable provisional response?

2) Also since Paul already replied that as per RFC 6337 there should  not be 
any new offer in 200OK of INVITE [as per my call flow in first mail] . So my 
question is after CRBT how will be caller A informed the change on Media.. 
Please refer my below example.
  A has sent INVITE to B for a Video call. Then in  CRBT is some song/music 
being played to A instead of ringing... After the establishment of call the 
Video chat should  start. So How SDP negotiation will happen?
 
 I will be really grateful if you clarify my query by two example of SDP flow. 
One without using any reliable provisional response and another using Reliable 
provisional response

Regards,

Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri


On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 10:52 PM, Mustafa AYDIN 
<mustafa.ay...@verscom.com> wrote:
 


Hi Paul,

Yes, it seems that Sourav's concern is with early media as you can also see 
from the call diagram that he sent. CRBT stands for "colorful ringback tone", 
it is actually a  specific song or audio file to play instead of the standard 
ring tone. As you said, it is possible that the early  media might be sent from 
wrong IP:port pair.

Rgrds,
Mustafa Aydın
NGN Services
Verscom Solutions




-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:36 PM
To: Mustafa AYDIN; Vivek Talwar
Cc: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] can CRBT palyed without Reliable Provisonal 
response.

On 10/15/14 12:16 PM, Mustafa AYDIN wrote:
> Hi Vivek,
>
> I agree most of your comment, however considering that the question 
> here is “can CRBT palyed without Reliable Provisonal response.” and 
> due to the fact that CRBT is an actually an _early media RTP flow_  
> (played before 200 OK), there is nothing to prevent UAC to get the 
> CRBT in this scenario  as the UAS knows where to send RTP. There should not 
> be a
>   dependency to  the client as it is totally  as per RFC.

Yes, the caller should get the early media. The problem is with the 200 with a 
new offer. So the caller may not get the final media.

But your issue is that the caller isn't getting the early media???

If so, maybe it is something else. For instance, it is pretty common to gate 
the incoming media - requiring that it come from the IP address/port in the 
answer. Maybe the media isn't being sent that way.

    Thanks,
    Paul

> Regards,
>
> Mustafa Aydın
>
> NGN Services
>
> Verscom Solutions
>
> cid:image002.png@01CFD749.D928FC00
>
> *From:*Vivek Talwar [mailto:vivek.tal...@globallogic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:31 PM
> *To:* Mustafa AYDIN
> *Cc:* Paul Kyzivat; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Sip-implementors] can CRBT palyed without Reliable 
> Provisonal response.
>
> Hi Sourav,
>
>          The UAS cann't send new offer in initial INVITE as per 
> standards. Although above scenario can be propitiatory where sdp in 
> 200 OK can be treated as answer but again as per standards sdp should 
> be same in 1xx and 2xx responses. This will depend on client but yes 
> above can work in some cases as B knows where to send media packets.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Vivek Talwar
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Mustafa AYDIN 
> <mustafa.ay...@verscom.com <mailto:mustafa.ay...@verscom.com>> wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> I agree the messaging after 200 ok is incorrect but the main question 
> is with the CRBT which is sent before 200 ok. Why do u think that the 
> client would not get early media if the sdp in INV is correct ?
>
> Rgrda
> Mustafa
>
> From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> <mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu>
> [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> <mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu>] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Kyzivat [pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu <mailto:pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu>]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:47 PM
> To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> <mailto:sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] can CRBT palyed without Reliable 
> Provisonal response.
>
> On 10/15/14 10:22 AM, Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >      Can CRBT works without using Reliable Provisional Response ?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > A   ================   INVITE (with SDP offer)
> ========================>  B
>  >
>  > A  <===============   180 ringing (with SDP answer )
> ====================   B  ----------------------> It is not a RPR
>  >
>  >                                           CRBT  Played
>  >
>  > A  <===============     200 OK for INVITE  ( new SDP offer)
> ===============    B
>  >
>  > A  =================   ACK    (new SDP answer)
>   =======================>   B
>  >
>  >
>  > Whether the above diagram is a correct call flow for CRBT without 
> using Reliable Provisional response?
>
> This is not correct, and wouldn't be correct even if the 180 was reliable.
>
> See RFC6337.
>
>          Thanks,
>          Paul
>
>  > Regards
>  >
>  > Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri
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