Thank you. That does answer my question. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volker Hilt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 14:20
> To: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055)
> Cc: sip
> Subject: Re: [Sip] [Fwd: I-D 
> ACTION:draft-hilt-sip-correction-503-00.txt]
> 
> Francois,
> > 
> > Can I explain why you believe that for "small" servers 
> (supporting < 
> > 20
> > clients) you believe
> > that the retry after is problematic? I don't think it's that clear 
> > from the draft.
> > 
> The problem of 503 with Retry-After is described in greater 
> detail in Sections 4.1 and 4.3 of 
> draft-ietf-sipping-overload-reqs-00. In short,
> 503 with Retry-After may lead to the oscillation of traffic a 
> server receives and the shifting of load between servers.
> 
> > And if so, would there be a way to mitigate the oscillation while 
> > allowing the Retry-After?
> > 
> The proposed changes 5. and 6. would still allow a 
> Retry-After header, although it would be restricted to a 
> single request.
> 
> An alternative to proposed change 1. (i.e. to not recommend 
> the use of Retry-After in 503) could be use a Retry-After 
> value based on milliseconds. This would provide a more fine 
> grained control to overloaded proxies and may avoid some of 
> the problems the current header has. It would work for 
> servers irrespective of the number of clients. 
> However, it would change the semantics of the Retry-After value.
> 
> Overall, the goal of this draft is not to introduce a new 
> overload control mechanism (which certainly should avoid 
> traffic oscillations) but rather to see how far we can get 
> with modest changes to the existing spec.
> 
> > I'm a little concerned about a rule that seems somewhat 
> vague on this. 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Volker Hilt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:11
> >> To: sip
> >> Subject: [Sip] [Fwd: I-D 
> ACTION:draft-hilt-sip-correction-503-00.txt]
> >>
> >> Below is a draft that proposes a correction to the 
> definition of 503 
> >> (Service Unavailable) responses in RFC 3261. The goal of 
> this draft 
> >> is to avoid some of the problems that have been identified 
> with 503, 
> >> however, it does not attempt to provide a full blown 
> overload control 
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hilt-sip-correction-
> > 503-00.txt
> >> Comments, thoughts are highly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Volker
> >>
> > 
> > 
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