Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF) wrote:

> And, if we define a DTMF mime-type, we should of course also say in
> which SIP message it can be used etc. But, again, we should not specify
> the applications that are going to use it.

But MIME types aren't just defined for SIP. There's a whole slew of
protocols that can use any of the thousands of definede MIM types for
millions of different reasons. SIP is just one protocol among many.


> On my GSM phone, however, I don't need to active DTMF. If I am asked to
> give my PIN code, I simply press buttons and they are sent as DTMF
> tones.

But what happens when your GSM phone receives a JPEG image? How about
when it receives a Symbian executable stored in a ZIP file?

> IF there are missing parts in the negotiation mechanism, we need to fix
> that.
> 
> Something like:
> 
> Accept: application/my-dtmf;method=INFO

Well, we agree it's broken. We're just debating the mechanism, and
whether it's worth fixing. You and I seem to think it's worth fixing,
others would just rather say "If it hurts' don't do it!".

> OR, in the draft defining the content type, we specify that content type
> X can only be sent using this and that method. I belive we do the same
> thing for SDP.

Once again, content types are defined more broadly than SIP.

> 
> But, so far we haven't been interested in looking into these issues. We
> just say that using INFO is against the spirit of SIP, it causes all
> kind of problems etc etc.

Not at all. I've said we need a registry of usage contexts that defines
what specific content types and dispositions mean within that context
usage. Lacking that, the safe thing is not to use INFO. I think Paul has
said exactly the same thing, and that's pretty much what Jonathan has
said -- although I think Jonathan is leaning more towards the "since
defining these usages is hard, let's not use INFO" model.

--
Dean



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