On 7/19/07 10:19 AM, Frank W. Miller wrote:
FM: While I applaud the time and effort that the large vendors have obviously invested in this, this is a qualitative statement. Perhaps Cisco and/or Microsoft have empirical data they would be willing to share about robustness and performance?
That's the kind of data you get between "proposed standard" and "draft standard" -- not *prior* to publication. I'm not sure why there's so much noise about setting the bar much, much higher for ICE than we do for other IETF proposals.
To be clear: to get this kind of experience (especially as it pertains to interoperability), you need to have a stable (i.e., frozen) specification. Internet Drafts simply don't provide an appropriate basis for the kinds of proof that you and others are demanding.
I think we would all benefit from a quick review of RFC 2026:
A Proposed Standard specification is generally stable, has resolved known design choices, is believed to be well-understood, has received significant community review, and appears to enjoy enough community interest to be considered valuable. However, further experience might result in a change or even retraction of the specification before it advances. Usually, neither implementation nor operational experience is required for the designation of a specification as a Proposed Standard.
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Implementors should treat Proposed Standards as immature specifications. It is desirable to implement them in order to gain experience and to validate, test, and clarify the specification. However, since the content of Proposed Standards may be changed if problems are found or better solutions are identified, deploying implementations of such standards into a disruption-sensitive environment is not recommended.
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