> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Roach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:05 PM
> 
> But, going back to the discussion at hand: Brian and Hadriel seem to be
> specifically promoting carrying "appliction/dtmf" in INFO. Since I can
> only guess at their motiviations, I'll leave it to them to indicate
> whether an "application/vnd.nortelnetworks.digits" or "message/mgcp"
> approach would make them happy.

I'm not advocating anything (yet).  Eric's draft makes the case that Info is
bad for several reasons, one of which is that the message has no context and
no negotiation mechanism.  I'm saying that's fixable.  I am only thinking of
dtmf, because that's the most common use case I see of Info (other than
sip-t), and it was the main use case example in Eric's draft.

At the last IETF meeting the question was raised (by Jonathan I think) along
the lines of "is there a real-world reason INFO keeps getting used, as
opposed to the already standardized approaches?"  I think there are
real-world reasons people use Info vs. KPML.  As far as I can see, KPML is a
rarity.  Obviously there's also 2833/4733.  Plenty of devices do 2833.
Unfortunately, plenty of devices don't too, and there are apps which can't
use 2833 architecturally and need dtmf in SIP.  

-hadriel



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