On 10/12/07, Paul Kyzivat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Pars Mutaf wrote:
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> > On 10/12/07, *Paul Kyzivat* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >     Pars Mutaf wrote:
> >      > Hello,
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> >      > Is the SIP trapezoid needed in cellular networks?
> >      > This is a deployment question. The very simple logic
> >      > of my question is as follows:
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> >      > For privacy reasons:
> >      > - cellular users don't publish their SIP URIs in a
> >      >   phonebook.
> >      > - unpredictable and long SIP URIs are recommended.
> >      >
> >      > Thus the SIP URI will be:
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> >      > which may be too long to read/type as we do
> >      > today when two cell phone users meet each other?
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> >     We may have a different usage model in mind.
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> >     AFAIK cellular users are identified by their phone number, which is
> >     used
> >     for humman interchange of addresses all the time. When rendered as a
> >     URI, it can be a TEL URI, or a sip uri. When a sip URI it has a
> >     particular domain, which may not normally be known to the caller.
> But in
> >     that case they start with a TEL uri and it gets translated along the
> >     way
> >     - typically with ENUM. In any case it isn't the caller's concern.
> >
> >     The mobile *device* has a different, contact, address. But callers
> are
> >     never expected to know that. It is the point of the sip trapezoid
> >     (actually just part of it - the home proxy) to do this translation.
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> > In my simplistic view:
> > I need my packets routed from my device to the other device.
> > Mobile IPv6 home address does that (including location
> > management, i.e. locating the target device when I make a call).
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> > I'm not saying that Mobile IPv6 home address corresponds to the
> > telephone number. We still have a SIP URI for the SIP application.
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> Then I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve.
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> If you wish to communicate with me via SIP then you should be trying to
> discover my Address of Record (AoR - either a SIP or possibly a TEL
> URI).


The privacy problem: normally I shouldn't be able to discover
your SIP URI.

Then, we turn back to my initial question in this thread:
(really sorry I couldn't make it shorter!)

http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip/current/msg20730.html


Thanks!
pars




The sip infrastructure will take care of routing to the device.
> AoRs will typically be user friendly to the same extent that email
> addresses or phone numbers are.
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>         Paul
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> > Thanks,
> > pars
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> >             Paul
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> >      > If so:
> >      > Any solution is welcome ( e.g. pairing) to help
> >      > users exchange their SIP URIs easily. For example,
> >      > user names are locally published, I choose the name
> >      > of my friend in a wireless network, and get the SIP URI.
> >      >
> >      > If such solution exists:
> >      > Why not use it also for exchanging a Mobile IPv6
> >      > home address. I.e., I get my friend's SIP URI and
> >      > home address concurrently. [bonus result: we can
> >      > establish IPsec since we already know our IP addresses].
> >      >
> >      > Conclusion:
> >      > By the basic SIP privacy requirement we also came to
> >      > solving the routing problem.
> >      >
> >      > What I am missing?
> >      >
> >      > Thanks,
> >      > pars
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