Hi, 

>That indicates an explicit subscription model from B with an 
>event type offer from A. Since we don't want our initial 
>message to get as long as IMAP's,

No, we don't want to destroy SIP's good reputation of having short and
compact messages...

>I would offer if there are optional things for B to discover from A, it
should use 
>OPTION. 

No. This is something that can be done per-call basis. We don't want our
initial call setups flows to get too long, do we? ;)

>That said, I do not see how an unsolicited INFO showing up on A's door
could possibly be good, especially if, 
>as pointed out below, A might not be interested.

I didn't say that. It would be useful with negotiation also for INFO.

Regards,

Christer




> Sent from my wireless e-mail device. Sorry if terse.  We all 
> need lemonade: see 
> <http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade> for what lemonade is.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christer Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Eric Burger
> Cc: IETF SIP List <sip@ietf.org>
> Sent: Mon Oct 15 07:18:20 2007
> Subject: RE: What are we arguing about when we say INFO? (was 
> Re: [Sip] INFO)
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It's not about A knowing what B "needs" - it's about A 
> telling B that there may be some information he is interested 
> in sending - IF B wants it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Christer 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Burger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 15. lokakuuta 2007 15:00
> > To: Christer Holmberg
> > Cc: IETF SIP List
> > Subject: Re: What are we arguing about when we say INFO? (was
> > Re: [Sip] INFO)
> > 
> > Under what circumstances would A know what B needs, without B 
> > explicitly signaling B's needs to A?
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/15/07 3:24 AM, "Christer Holmberg" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > [Christer] One issue with the subscription mechanism is
> > that when A is
> > > interested to receive events from B it sends a subscription to B. 
> > > There is basically no good way for A to tell B "Hey, I have some 
> > > events I would like to send you (if you support them), so please 
> > > subscribe to them". For some applications B KNOWS it will have to 
> > > subscribe to certain events from A, but in some cases B may again 
> > > subscribe to events "just in case". I think it would be 
> useful if A 
> > > somehow could indiate which events it expects B to
> > subscribe to for this specific call.
> > 
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