Which is one of the reasons I think it should be INFO.  Using it would only be 
an update to rfc2976, right?
-hadriel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:48 AM
> To: Elwell, John
> Cc: sip; Michael Procter; Adam Roach; Brian Stucker
> Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO
>
> Yes, my thinking has been that this would be a matter of negotiating the
> use of NOTIFY *within* the invite-dialog-usage. Of course that isn't
> legal today - this would be an extension to both 3261 and 3265.
>
>         Paul
>
> Elwell, John wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > Yes, I guess some of the postings on this thread have hinted that it
> > would be the same dialog usage. I suppose if the subscriptions are
> > deemed to terminate at the time of the BYE transaction, then it would
> > indeed by the same dialog usage. So it would appear to be within the
> > letter of the dialogusage draft. However, one or two postings have
> > suggested different.
> >
> > John
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael Procter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 19 October 2007 08:48
> >> To: Elwell, John; Adam Roach; Paul Kyzivat
> >> Cc: sip; Brian Stucker
> >> Subject: RE: [Sip] INFO
> >>
> >> John,
> >>
> >> My impression of the discussion so far is that using NOTIFY (or INTIFY
> >> as Christer suggests) in this way would not constitute a new
> >> dialog-usage.  A new usage would imply periodic resubscription and
> >> specific termination, whereas sending INTIFY within the context of the
> >> INVITE-usage means that the lifetime issues can be ignored: terminate
> >> the call, and INTIFY no longer has a context.
> >>
> >> This neatly avoids violating the letter of the dialogusage draft, but
> >> you could probably argue that creating sub-usages of the INVITE-usage
> >> isn't necessarily in keeping with the spirit of the draft...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Elwell, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Sent: 19 October 2007 07:41
> >>> To: Adam Roach; Paul Kyzivat
> >>> Cc: sip; Brian Stucker
> >>> Subject: RE: [Sip] INFO
> >>>
> >>> Adam,
> >>>
> >>> Now that you have reminded us of the dialogusage draft, perhaps it
> >>> would
> >>> be appropriate to remind people of the following from the abstract:
> >>> "This memo argues that multiple dialog usages should be avoided.  It
> >>> discusses alternatives to their use and clarifies essential behavior
> >>> for
> >>> elements that cannot currently avoid them."
> >>> In other words, while it will only be an Informational RFC, it seems
> >>> to
> >>> deprecate introduction of further dialog reuses. So if we were to go
> >>> with NOTIFY, would this be a new dialog usage, and if so,
> >> do we really
> >>> want to go ahead with something in contradiction to the sentiment of
> >>> that recently-approved draft?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Adam Roach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> Sent: 19 October 2007 01:05
> >>>> To: Paul Kyzivat
> >>>> Cc: sip; Brian Stucker
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> >>>>> I mostly agree with Adam. The place where I take exception
> >>>> is INFO. It
> >>>>> is my impression that INFO was designed for use with INVITE, and
> >>> so
> >>>>> should be considered to be part of an invite-dialog-usage.
> >>>> And Robert
> >>>>> specified it that way in the dialogusage draft.
> >>>> You're correct. I had forgotten about that, and the dialogusage
> >>> draft
> >>>> does make it clear: INFO is part of the INVITE usage. RFC
> >>>> 2976 predates
> >>>> the current terminology, but a quick re-read does show that
> >>>> it's pretty
> >>>> clearly appropriate only for INVITE usages.
> >>>>
> >>>> /a
> >>>>
> >>>>
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