...
> > 1. It's not clear to me that people are correctly parsing LI
> >    requirements. I'm not an expert on CALEA, let alone laws in other
> >    countries, but it's not my understanding that there is any
> >    regulatory requirement that forces carriers of voice or data
> >    traffic to arrange for disclosure of plaintext when they 
> >    don't have
> >    the keys. I.e., if I buy data service from Comcast and choose to
> >    run a VPN, there is no requirement that Comcast somehow 
> >    obtain the
> >    keys to deliver them to the FBI.
> > 
> >    It's less clear to me what the requirements are for 3G-style
> >    carriers when the endpoints are doing the crypto. I.e., I'm quite
> >    certain that if AT&T terminates the crypto they need to 
> >    provide the
> >    plaintext on request, but a lot less certain that they need to
> >    provide the plaintext if the crypto is end-to-end.
> 
> Timothy Dwight posted a followup on 3GPP's requirement that should
> be helpful on those points.  What remains unsaid in that quoted text 
> is crypto performed by the endpoint itself (as with DTLS-SRTP).

Tim mentioned to me privately that his posting to SIP is being held 
up; here is the content:

    From: Dwight, Timothy M (Tim) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: Eric Rescorla; Dan Wing
    Cc: IETF SIP List
    Subject: RE: [Sip] media-security-requirements and lawful intercept

    On point #1, 3GPP 33.106 says under "Security of Processes":

    "NWOs/APs/SvPs shall not be responsible for decrypting, or
    ensuring the LEA's ability to decrypt, any communication
    encrypted by a subscriber or customer, unless the encryption
    was provided by the NWOs/APs/SvPs and the NWOs/APs/SvPs
    possesses the information necessary to decrypt the
    communication or the NWOs/ APs/SvPs provides encryption keys
    but does not provide the encryption itself. In the case that
    the NWOs/ APs/SvPs provides encryption keys to the subscriber
    or customer but does not provide the encryption itself, the
    NWOs/ APs/SvPs shall provide the keys to the LEA if required
    by national regulations."

    The same text is found in ETSI TISPAN TS 133 106.

    tim

-d


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