Well, yes, of course.  That is not a solvable problem.

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        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elwell, 
John
        Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:30
        To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [Sip] History-Info: UA loose route versus Target header
        
        
        One problem identified with Target-Id was that a proxy that retargets 
and doesn't support Target-Id might just forward an existing Target-Id rather 
than remove it. I think history-info has a similar property, i.e., the last 
history entry will not necessarily reflect the most recent target. Would 
anybody care to comment on this?
         
        John


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                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Mary Barnes
                Sent: 13 March 2008 15:34
                To: [email protected]
                Subject: [Sip] History-Info: UA loose route versus Target header
                
                

                Per my comments at the microphone, here's my assessment of the 
difference between the two documents as they apply to History-Info as a 
potential solution.

                draft-rosenberg-sip-ua-loose-route-02 clearly states that 
History-Info functionally can be used to solve the problem described in that 
document.  However, Jonathan's objective is to solve a fundamental problem of 
not distinguishing routing versus re-targeting (read section 5).  This document 
would actually change the content of the History-Info headers for the same 
requests, just as it's already identified in RFC 4244 that if you have loose 
routing in general, that the information is different in History-Info. 

                The document  draft-holmberg-sip-target-uri-delivery-01.txt  
doesn't do anything to change fundamental SIP processing. It just adds another 
header that contains information that would already be contained in 
History-Info. History-info provides a complete history of the processing of a 
request, with the indexing provided by the entries and the reasons, you know 
exactly why a request was either "retargetted" or "re-routed".   The examples 
in the appendix would apply to the use cases you are attempting to solve as 
described in Jonathan's document. 

                Mary. 

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