Hi John,

My comment was based on your "should not be applicable with ICE" statement, and 
they way I understood it was that SDP would not be modified if ICE is used.

Maybe I missunderstood what you were trying to say.

Regards,

Christer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elwell, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 14. maaliskuuta 2008 13:41
To: Christer Holmberg; IETF SIP List
Subject: RE: [Sip] SBC impact on RFC 4474

Christer,

I think I already captured that in the statement "Other reasons are topology 
hiding, media shaping, etc.. Such modification breaks RFC
4474 signatures."
If you think that is insufficient, please elaborate reasons, so we get a better 
understanding of the scope of the problem.

John 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christer Holmberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 March 2008 01:29
> To: Elwell, John; IETF SIP List
> Subject: VS: [Sip] SBC impact on RFC 4474
> 
> Hi,
>  
> SBCs may modify SDP even if ICE is used.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Christer
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Lähettäjä: [EMAIL PROTECTED] puolesta: Elwell, John
> Lähetetty: to 13.3.2008 22:27
> Vastaanottaja: IETF SIP List
> Aihe: [Sip] SBC impact on RFC 4474
> 
> 
> 
> One of the questions raised at the end of the SIP session today was 
> the
> following:
> 
> "Are there any useful steps for dealing with SDP modification by 
> SBCs?"
> 
> SBCs modify SDP (and perhaps other signed information in SIP 
> requests).
> One of the reasons is NAT traversal (should not be applicable with 
> ICE, but I don't think we can always assume that ICE is used).
> Other reasons
> are topology hiding, media shaping, etc.. Such modification breaks RFC
> 4474 signatures.
> 
> SBCs also sometimes change From URIs in SIP requests, as discussed in 
> draft-kaplan-sip-uris-change-00. We have taken this into account 
> during our various discussions (in the WG and off-line) on the 
> telephone number problem, so I want to keep that separate. For this 
> thread, assume an "email-style" (or non-phone-number-based) From URI 
> that is not modified by an SBC. Focus instead on modification of other 
> signed information.
> 
> I would like to hear views on the following:
> - The degree to which this is a problem.
> - Existing solution proposals:
>     o draft-wing-sip-identity-media-02
>     o draft-fischer-sip-e2e-sec-media-00
> - Other solution proposals.
> 
> John
> 
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