I think we are in agreement. 

See below.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christer Holmberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 03:11
> To: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055); [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Sip] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sip-199-00.txt
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> >I really think that this draft should make the inclusion of the
> original non-2XX final response in the 199 MANDATORY by the 
> forking proxy. This would be in a message/sip body as described in 
> >sectin 23.4/RFC 3261.
> >
> >It should even include the Message body of the original response if
> present (some error codes have SDP bodies for example).
> >Again, this would be embedded in the message/sip MIME.
> 
> I guess this would also apply to the case when the UAS sends 
> the 199 (the draft currently allows it).

I guess so. However, I don't understand why a UAS would send a 199.
Section 5 provides no justification for it. I'd like to see an explanation
of why it's useful.

> >Otherwise, this ambiguity will sabotage potential use of 
> this draft to
> solve wider problems such as HERFP.
> 
> I have no problem to add what you propose, but what the UAC 
> then does with the information is in my opinion outside the 
> scope of the document.
> Ie we are not going to describe a solution to the HERFP problem.

That is perfect with me. Just state it as outside the scope of this
document.

I think this is a pragmatic way to allow progress on it.

> Do you propose to MUST include error code, and SHOULD include 
> message body?

I think the whole response (include error code and rest of the message,
including message body in the few cases where it exist) should be
included in a message/sip body, yes. As per section 23.4/RFC 3261
(just put a pointer to it). 

> Regards,
> 
> Christer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:15
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Sip] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sip-199-00.txt
> > 
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> > directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation 
> Protocol Working 
> > Group of the IETF.
> > 
> >     Title           : Response Code for Indication of 
> > Terminated Dialog
> >     Author(s)       : C. Holmberg
> >     Filename        : draft-ietf-sip-199-00.txt
> >     Pages           : 9
> >     Date            : 2008-5-15
> >     
> > This specification defines a new SIP response code, 199 Early Dialog
> >    Terminated, which a SIP entity can use to indicate 
> upstream that an
> >    early dialog has been terminated.  The response code can 
> be used by
> 
> > a
> >    SIP entity, normally a forking SIP proxy, to allow the 
> UAC to know
> >    that an early dialog has been terminated before it a 
> final response
> >    is sent to the request.
> > 
> > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sip-199-00.txt
> > 
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> > 
> > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader 
> > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the 
> > Internet-Draft.
> > 
> 
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