I believe that the problem statement (and associated use cases) that John 
presented in the WG session are valid.  I think it was unfortunate that those 
use cases couldn't be discussed more in the WG session.  This email appears to 
me simply John trying to further the discussions to bring out arguments.

One particular note I would like to share - given a comment at the mic 
regarding 4474 working as designed and desired - is that there are situations 
(good, bad or indifferent) that necessitate changes in the SDP. John cited 
media steering as a use case. Another use case is media steering for 
transcoding.  Use case below:

Ent A--->SSP1--->Ent B

In this use case, Ent A and SSP1 have established certain "rules of 
engagement", like G729, 2833, t.38, etc.  Ent B and SSP1 have established their 
own "rules of engagement", for instance G711 for voice, inband DTMF/FAX, etc.  
Being there's no common denominator for the media, the SDP in INVITE "steers" 
to a device that can trancode.

Another use case, would be for those SSPs that have Lawful Intercept 
requirements. Steering the media to something that will can intercept should 
that be a regulatory obligation.

Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Cullen Jennings
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:21 PM
> To: Elwell, John
> Cc: SIP IETF
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Thoughts on SIP Identity issues
>
>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 17:53 , Elwell, John wrote:
>
> > Flawed argument 2:
> > The problem exists when we go through service providers. Service
> > providers use only E.164-based SIP URIs. We can't do anything about
> > E.164-based SIP URIs. Therefore we can't do anything to address the
> > case
> > where the request goes through service providers. Therefore there is
> > nothing we can do.
>
>
> Hmm, I don't think anyone made quite that argument. Personally, I'd
> rather spend time thinking about the problems that were presented
> today in the meeting than repeat previous discussions.
>
> Cullen <with my individual hat on>
>
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